Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
He’s the 37th highest paid player in the league. Personally I’d want him to be a top 30 guy(a true tier 2 guy) if he’s making max money. I think he’s closer to 50 and tier 4 than tier 2 right now.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
If he plays at or near All-Star level, then yes. And if he doesn't, then he's not earning his max and will earn the "overpaid" label. If he's All-NBA, then that's superstar territory.
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:48 pmAyton playing exactly the same. Timid with the ball, uninterested. I don’t care that he’s not shooting well. I care that he has no interest in making a play with the ball whatsoever, completely fine fading in the background. Trade can’t come soon enough!!
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
You think so? I wasn't really impressed. He took over as the go-to guy at the end against the Lakers 4th stringers, but overall I thought he was mediocre.
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
That is a good way to put it. I'm not sure what James Jones was thinking besides putting all his eggs in the Durant basket.
I was disappointed by his debut as well, but I he did have two great feeds to Dario off the pick and roll. So that's something.
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
Ayton doesn't get the same treatment as one of best point guards of all time or a top 10 player in the league? Hmmm, not sure why...
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
Supermax eligibility is limited by years played. So no player is eligible for a supermax contract coming off of their rookie deal. You can get the designated player max, but that still doesn't touch what guys like LeBron, Dame, etc. are making.
For example, Donovan Mitchell is a superstar. But he isn't making the supermax because he doesn't have the years of service. His next contract though will undoubtedly be the supermax.
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
Well he had a short run in the first half he didn’t do anything with. Most of his minutes came against the scrubs and he had some nice plays in the paint
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
I'm not worried about Dario. He's a smart player and he'll find a way to make a positive impact. May take him a few weeks/months to get fully comfortable but I think he'll be a real asset by midseason.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
For younger players, the 30% max is usually called a supermax rookie extension (example: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/319 ... -mavericks)INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:53 pmSupermax eligibility is limited by years played. So no player is eligible for a supermax contract coming off of their rookie deal. You can get the designated player max, but that still doesn't touch what guys like LeBron, Dame, etc. are making.
For example, Donovan Mitchell is a superstar. But he isn't making the supermax because he doesn't have the years of service. His next contract though will undoubtedly be the supermax.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
Yeah I meant to follow up on another post about lack of offseason moves. He clearly had all the eggs in the Durant basket hence all the minimum contracts that were added and could be shed if needed. I am a little worried about lack of options now to improve. I hadn't seen updates yet (also haven't looked) on either of the Cam's finger injuries. CamJ HAS to have a healthy season since were in a situation where was have to rid ourselves of Crowder. The drop in talent from starters to bench feels as big as the Grand Canyon. I guess the best case scenario is a playoff contender, preferably out east, loses a starter to injury and wants to pony up for Crowder.
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
You do realize that article indicates that contract is the first of its kind, right? I don't think that syncs with your take "usually." That supermax requires qualifiers for a player to even be eligible to receive the offer. It isn't just as simple as a team saying "we think you're a superstar."JeremyG wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:11 amFor younger players, the 30% max is usually called a supermax rookie extension (example: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/319 ... -mavericks)INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:53 pmSupermax eligibility is limited by years played. So no player is eligible for a supermax contract coming off of their rookie deal. You can get the designated player max, but that still doesn't touch what guys like LeBron, Dame, etc. are making.
For example, Donovan Mitchell is a superstar. But he isn't making the supermax because he doesn't have the years of service. His next contract though will undoubtedly be the supermax.
Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
"First player eligible...upon signing"--others have had "escalators" that kick in if they reach the criteria. Regardless, your statement that "no player is eligible for a supermax contract coming off of their rookie deal" is not accurate if you include the 30% supermax.INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:11 pmYou do realize that article indicates that contract is the first of its kind, right? I don't think that syncs with your take "usually." That supermax requires qualifiers for a player to even be eligible to receive the offer. It isn't just as simple as a team saying "we think you're a superstar."JeremyG wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:11 amFor younger players, the 30% max is usually called a supermax rookie extension (example: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/319 ... -mavericks)INFORMER wrote: ↑Fri Oct 07, 2022 11:53 pmSupermax eligibility is limited by years played. So no player is eligible for a supermax contract coming off of their rookie deal. You can get the designated player max, but that still doesn't touch what guys like LeBron, Dame, etc. are making.
For example, Donovan Mitchell is a superstar. But he isn't making the supermax because he doesn't have the years of service. His next contract though will undoubtedly be the supermax.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.
Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22
Why do we keep beating this dead horse? Does it really need to be discussed ad nauseum for 6 months. Let it go.
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