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Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:03 pm
by specialsauce
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 1:15 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:35 am
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:23 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:52 am
I’m fine with Payne…I just don’t know that we’re getting a replacement with the money we have.
Trade Payne to Boston for Payton Pritchard, Mike Muscala, and the #35 pick. Next.
We’re sending DA to Boston for Smart and Williams . Next.
I think they'll keep Smart, unless they are getting a better point guard in the trade, like Chris Paul.
Ah, a slight adjustment to your post and the trade makes even more sense now
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:32 pm
by INFORMER
LOL!!!
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:12 pm
by Vladimir_Taltos
We aren't passing the second round with Paul and Payne as our PG rotation. This has to be improved, even more than figuring out what to do about Ayton...
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:51 pm
by INFORMER
I really don't think the issue is that our point guard position isn't good enough. We just need more talent around Durant and Booker. I don't think that duo requires an all-star point guard.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:05 pm
by Split T
Ya just need 3 rock solid players and probably 2 more they can somewhat count on
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:37 pm
by TOO
If Paul stays they'd need a steady PG who can play at least 20mpg because I don't want Paul out there anymore than 28mpg. Payne isn't it, he can't stay on the floor.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:41 pm
by Mori Chu
The thing is, you can't really find a guy who is able to play 20ppg at high level. If you find a guy like that, he's probably good enough to be a starter, and you aren't going to get him on a small dollar contract.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:30 pm
by Split T
Do you know who averaged 19.9 mpg last year? Seth Curry. Shake Milton also averaged 20 minutes per game…and in his 11 starts when Harden/Maxey were hurt he averaged 20/7/4 on a .618 TS%
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:42 am
by SunsSince92
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:51 pm
I really don't think the issue is that our point guard position isn't good enough. We just need more talent around Durant and Booker. I don't think that duo requires an all-star point guard.
Yeah, a solid defender who can play off the ball is all we really need. Someone like Melton would be ideal....

Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:42 am
by Vladimir_Taltos
Split T wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:05 pm
Ya just need 3 rock solid players and probably 2 more they can somewhat count on
Wrong again...when Paul played well, the team did better...despite Ayton's issues...
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:57 am
by LazarusLong
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:51 pm
I really don't think the issue is that our point guard position isn't good enough. We just need more talent around Durant and Booker. I don't think that duo requires an all-star point guard.
Agree. The need for a 10 apg guard is mitigated by Booker's and Durant's ability to make plays.
No need for another Scott/Johnson/Kidd/Nash/Paul.
Suns would be better off getting a savvy player or two who can pass and do multiple tasks.
Somebody like Kyle Anderson. Not a star, but solid complementary player...
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:56 am
by specialsauce
INFORMER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:51 pm
I really don't think the issue is that our point guard position isn't good enough. We just need more talent around Durant and Booker. I don't think that duo requires an all-star point guard.
Our point guard position is NOT good enough in the way that we need our PG to play currently.
Paul is not an off-ball PG. He’s a poor defender at this stage. He’s reluctant to take the catch and shoot 3. He doesn’t push the ball up the court.
We need a PG like Marcus Smart. Can drain the open 3, defend his position well and bring the ball up the court to give Book and KD a break.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:04 pm
by JeremyG
Is there a reason why it's now Monday afternoon and the Suns have still not announced this hire? Seems a bit strange.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:27 pm
by Split T
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:46 pm
by Mori Chu
Both Vogel and Fizdale are tough coaches. I don't think they'll let anybody give less than their best effort. Hopefully Young can help make sure our offense isn't too stagnant; still a bit worried about things on that end of the floor.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:46 pm
by ShelC
Ugh. Just announce Isiah Thomas and get it over with already.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:50 pm
by Superbone
I don't know who this is but like the sentiment.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:52 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:04 pm
Is there a reason why it's now Monday afternoon and the Suns have still not announced this hire? Seems a bit strange.
I wouldn't worry about it. Sounds like they're getting the assistants in order first.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 pm
by Superbone
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:46 pm
Both Vogel and Fizdale are tough coaches. I don't think they'll let anybody give less than their best effort.
Ayton is not going to be able to take plays, games, days, or weeks off this upcoming season. They are going to be on him.
Re: Frank Vogel hired as new Coach
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 pm
by INFORMER
Nah, he is going to remain in the shadows, Darth Sidious style.