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The other thing Simmons isn't accounting for in his trade value of Markieff is that if you want Kieff, you have to take Marcus. Their deals go together as a package and are $12m/year, not just the $8m/year for Markieff. I still think it's a decent deal, but it isn't as much of a bargain at that point.

Keef isn't a good defensive player either.

Indy wrote:Keef isn't a good defensive player either.

I'd argue he's top 10 on our current roster.

So he is a top 10 defensive player on a team that only plays 9 guys...

AmareIsGod wrote:

Indy wrote:Keef isn't a good defensive player either.

I'd argue he's top 10 on our current roster.

That's setting the bar low...

LazarusLong wrote:

AmareIsGod wrote:

Indy wrote:Keef isn't a good defensive player either.

I'd argue he's top 10 on our current roster.

That's setting the bar low...

Right. Like setting it on the floor.

I would say he is the worst front court defender we have (that plays).

Like I said.. Top 10 on the roster.

acerbic bunch, we are ...

Perennial 6th man of the year candidate, I am telling you. Phoenix needs to find a PF that makes defensible benching Kieff. That would be the kind of move I've look to make.

I know this doesn't necessarily jive with what we've seen, but Kief is actually 19th in the league in Defensive Real Plus Minus.

I think he plays ok on defense, he's got active hands and does well with face up bigs. However, he doesn't protect the rim, can get pushed around down low, and doesn't rebound.

Shabazz wrote:I know this doesn't necessarily jive with what we've seen, but Kief is actually 19th in the league in Defensive Real Plus Minus.

It's hard to trust complex stats without knowing how the formulas are derived, but that leader board looks to be a pretty accurate representation of the top defenders in the NBA.

I agree with Split T's take.

How do we expect him to come off the bench, though? He's our best halfcourt offensive option at this point, and probably about the 15th best PF in the league. Then again, we do make IT come off the bench. Hmm.

I think Keef may benefit statistically from being the only legit PF on the roster. When he isn't on the court, we frequently have PJ Tucker or even Gerald Green at PF. (We've seen less of this since the Wright trade.) That liability makes the rest of the team look pretty bad, and Keef pretty good.

Split T wrote:I think he plays ok on defense, he's got active hands and does well with face up bigs. However, he doesn't protect the rim, can get pushed around down low, and doesn't rebound.

Right. It's the last two things that are a big problem for a power forward.

INFORMER wrote:

Sunsfan4life wrote:Bill simmons yearly NBA Trade value column is up today. Part 1.

4 Suns cracked the top 56.

Dragic was 56.
Bledsoe was 53. (Bill said he will be higher if he stays healthy this season)
Len is 50 (Nice recognition for Alex)
and the guy with the most trade value on our team according to Simmions...

Markieff Morris. who was 40. Simmons praises morris calling his extension "dirt cheap". Here is the whole link for those of you who want to click on it.

You're trumpeting a commentator that thinks Markieff Morris has the highest trade value of any Sun on the roster. OK.

He also praises Markieff's stretch 4 game when Markieff isn't even averaging 1 make per game and is shooting 33% from 3. Again, OK.

I'm not trumpeting Simmons as anything but an analyst. Trumpeting means proclaiming or declaring, am I declaring Simmons as good or bad? No. I just copy and pasted his article. Sorry if that offended you, just because you disagreed with him haha.

I'm stating facts saying that Simmons is the 4th commentator in the past week that said the suns aren't afarid of anyone. Reggie miller,Barkley,Kenny Smith and now Simmons. Its funny its like any time someone gives Markieff Morris a little love you get a little pissy. You don't like him, we get it by the countless times you show up to game day threads to point out a bad play he had or a bad game he had. The stretch 4 statement again is an opinon statement on your hand. A lot of people consider stretch 4's Bigs who can hit 15-18 footers or play away from the basket which Kieff can. Maybe you don't....alright.

and BTW, Markieff Morris would bring back the biggest haul of anyone on the suns roster outside of Alex Len IMO. His contract is a lot better then Bledsoe's, he's 3yrs younger and will have a better contract then Dragic when its all said and done, and he's a better player then IT.

Its just an opinion question, but don't act like its far fetched.

Kieff sure gets slammed a lot around here for how well he is playing for us. He has also been clutch.

Superbone wrote:Kieff sure gets slammed a lot around here for how well he is playing for us. He has also been clutch.

He is the most clutch player we have. No question.

Sunsfan4life wrote:

INFORMER wrote:

Sunsfan4life wrote:Bill simmons yearly NBA Trade value column is up today. Part 1.

4 Suns cracked the top 56.

Dragic was 56.
Bledsoe was 53. (Bill said he will be higher if he stays healthy this season)
Len is 50 (Nice recognition for Alex)
and the guy with the most trade value on our team according to Simmions...

Markieff Morris. who was 40. Simmons praises morris calling his extension "dirt cheap". Here is the whole link for those of you who want to click on it.

You're trumpeting a commentator that thinks Markieff Morris has the highest trade value of any Sun on the roster. OK.

He also praises Markieff's stretch 4 game when Markieff isn't even averaging 1 make per game and is shooting 33% from 3. Again, OK.

I'm not trumpeting Simmons as anything but an analyst. Trumpeting means proclaiming or declaring, am I declaring Simmons as good or bad? No. I just copy and pasted his article. Sorry if that offended you, just because you disagreed with him haha.

I'm stating facts saying that Simmons is the 4th commentator in the past week that said the suns aren't afarid of anyone. Reggie miller,Barkley,Kenny Smith and now Simmons. Its funny its like any time someone gives Markieff Morris a little love you get a little pissy. You don't like him, we get it by the countless times you show up to game day threads to point out a bad play he had or a bad game he had. The stretch 4 statement again is an opinon statement on your hand. A lot of people consider stretch 4's Bigs who can hit 15-18 footers or play away from the basket which Kieff can. Maybe you don't....alright.

and BTW, Markieff Morris would bring back the biggest haul of anyone on the suns roster outside of Alex Len IMO. His contract is a lot better then Bledsoe's, he's 3yrs younger and will have a better contract then Dragic when its all said and done, and he's a better player then IT.

Its just an opinion question, but don't act like its far fetched.

That last part is pretty spot on.