Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:43 am
Well, let's just hope this means it's over this week. Time to move forward.
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What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
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Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 11:50 am
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:41 pm
Why waiting until after July 15 to buyout Bradley Beal makes sense for him and the Suns
Diving into the numbers brings the probable motivation to light.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2025 ... nce-salary
Diving into the numbers brings the probable motivation to light.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2025 ... nce-salary
On July 15, Beal’s contract specifies that he will get a 25% advance on his 2025-26 season salary. That equals a lump sum of $13,416,567.50. I said earlier in the comments section of John’s earlier article on this topic that the advance payment would have no effect on the buyout numbers...but I was wrong about that. After giving it some more thought, I realized that it actually does change a few things that work out in favor of both Beal and the Suns.
While that amount being paid to him early normally would have no impact on the Suns’ cap sheet or their luxury tax obligations, waiting until after this payment is made will lower the amount of cash that would have to be stretched after he is bought out. It almost lowers the stretched amount to the point of being below the 15% limit of stretched dead salary that teams are allowed to carry on their cap sheets, just not quite enough to get all the way there.
Once that advance payment is made, stretching the remaining 75% of Beal’s 2025-26 salary plus the full amount for 2026-27 equals yearly stretch payments of $19,475,662.50. Adding in the dead money already owed to Nassir Little and E.J. Liddell brings the total up to $23,289,703.50, which would be 15.06% of the cap, just a tiny bit over the maximum amount allowed...but still over the limit.
But the important thing is that waiting until he gets his advance also means that Beal could be bought out for a sum significantly smaller than the nearly $14 million buyout that has been previously reported, and the Suns could still stretch his remaining salary over 5 years if they wish to do so. That’s the key here.
It’s been reported that the most Beal could now get from any of his preferred teams to sign with them after his buyout would be a contract for around $5.3 million. After receiving the 25% advance, a buyout equal to that $5.3 mil amount would work to bring the total of the Suns’ stretched dead salary down to 14.4% of the cap while also ensuring that Beal doesn’t actually lose any of the money already owed to him.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:01 pm
I feel like that’s not accurate…that’s implying the 13 million we pay him won’t count against the cap, but it definitely will. I don’t think waiting changes how the stretch works at all.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 9:19 pm
Penny pinching piece of shitSuperbone wrote: ↑Sun Jul 13, 2025 7:41 pmWhy waiting until after July 15 to buyout Bradley Beal makes sense for him and the Suns
Diving into the numbers brings the probable motivation to light.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2025 ... nce-salary
On July 15, Beal’s contract specifies that he will get a 25% advance on his 2025-26 season salary. That equals a lump sum of $13,416,567.50. I said earlier in the comments section of John’s earlier article on this topic that the advance payment would have no effect on the buyout numbers...but I was wrong about that. After giving it some more thought, I realized that it actually does change a few things that work out in favor of both Beal and the Suns.
While that amount being paid to him early normally would have no impact on the Suns’ cap sheet or their luxury tax obligations, waiting until after this payment is made will lower the amount of cash that would have to be stretched after he is bought out. It almost lowers the stretched amount to the point of being below the 15% limit of stretched dead salary that teams are allowed to carry on their cap sheets, just not quite enough to get all the way there.
Once that advance payment is made, stretching the remaining 75% of Beal’s 2025-26 salary plus the full amount for 2026-27 equals yearly stretch payments of $19,475,662.50. Adding in the dead money already owed to Nassir Little and E.J. Liddell brings the total up to $23,289,703.50, which would be 15.06% of the cap, just a tiny bit over the maximum amount allowed...but still over the limit.
But the important thing is that waiting until he gets his advance also means that Beal could be bought out for a sum significantly smaller than the nearly $14 million buyout that has been previously reported, and the Suns could still stretch his remaining salary over 5 years if they wish to do so. That’s the key here.
It’s been reported that the most Beal could now get from any of his preferred teams to sign with them after his buyout would be a contract for around $5.3 million. After receiving the 25% advance, a buyout equal to that $5.3 mil amount would work to bring the total of the Suns’ stretched dead salary down to 14.4% of the cap while also ensuring that Beal doesn’t actually lose any of the money already owed to him.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:38 am
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:24 am
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 9:30 am
The dead money hit against the cap, yes. But the only thing that matters is how much dead money is stretched.
It sounds like we would not have even needed to negotiate with Beal if we just hadn’t stretched EJ freaking Liddell.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 9:58 am
I still don’t think when he gets paid changes the amount that counts as stretched. We’ll see I guessJeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 9:30 amThe dead money hit against the cap, yes. But the only thing that matters is how much dead money is stretched.
It sounds like we would not have even needed to negotiate with Beal if we just hadn’t stretched EJ freaking Liddell.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:00 am
Would it be less money Beal would have to surrender to make the buyout/waive and stretch possible? We’d still have the same amount of dead cap on our books, but this would mean Beal would retain most of the money he would have otherwise needed to give up?Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 9:58 amI still don’t think when he gets paid changes the amount that counts as stretched. We’ll see I guessJeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 9:30 amThe dead money hit against the cap, yes. But the only thing that matters is how much dead money is stretched.
It sounds like we would not have even needed to negotiate with Beal if we just hadn’t stretched EJ freaking Liddell.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:04 am
I believe it should be similar to using the “delayed stretch” provision.Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 9:58 amI still don’t think when he gets paid changes the amount that counts as stretched. We’ll see I guessJeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 9:30 amThe dead money hit against the cap, yes. But the only thing that matters is how much dead money is stretched.
It sounds like we would not have even needed to negotiate with Beal if we just hadn’t stretched EJ freaking Liddell.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:47 am
We’ll see I guess, but from what I’ve read, I don’t think it changes anything in regard to our calculations.
It might impact when Beal gets his money, but our calculations remain the same. I think the delayed stretch only impacts whether we choose to keep the 1st year salary on the books. I don’t think we can choose to keep part of the 1st year salary on the books and stretch the rest. It also doesn’t make much sense for us if getting out of the tax is our main goal.
It might impact when Beal gets his money, but our calculations remain the same. I think the delayed stretch only impacts whether we choose to keep the 1st year salary on the books. I don’t think we can choose to keep part of the 1st year salary on the books and stretch the rest. It also doesn’t make much sense for us if getting out of the tax is our main goal.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:47 am
That’s what the article was saying, I just think it was wrong.SunsShine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:00 amWould it be less money Beal would have to surrender to make the buyout/waive and stretch possible? We’d still have the same amount of dead cap on our books, but this would mean Beal would retain most of the money he would have otherwise needed to give up?Split T wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 9:58 amI still don’t think when he gets paid changes the amount that counts as stretched. We’ll see I guess
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 11:59 am
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 12:04 pm
David knows more than just about anyone when it comes to cap stuff and he’s one of the reasons I don’t trust that bright side article. Notice his dead money numbers don’t change at all for what Beal counts against us.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 12:28 pm
Stretching Beal can't be the only move. We should also be looking to trade Richards into cap space and/or consolidating any combination of Grayson/Richards/Royce and taking back less salary in that move. That will open up some options for us.
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 12:40 pm
They're all getting traded for Giddey let's go
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 12:40 pm
For sure they should look to move at least one of Grayson and Royce. I wouldn't be mad if they move both of those guys, especially if they bring back value instead of just dumping salary. Personally, I'd keep Royce because they are going to need some defense off the bench.
IMO they should also hang on to Richards because we will need the depth. This team only has 5 guys over 6'7".
IMO they should also hang on to Richards because we will need the depth. This team only has 5 guys over 6'7".
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 4:57 pm
Shouldn't you say, Giddey up!
Re: What do you think the suns do next after Beal is bought out?
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 4:58 pm
And they're mostly rookies and 2nd year players.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Mon Jul 14, 2025 12:40 pmFor sure they should look to move at least one of Grayson and Royce. I wouldn't be mad if they move both of those guys, especially if they bring back value instead of just dumping salary. Personally, I'd keep Royce because they are going to need some defense off the bench.
IMO they should also hang on to Richards because we will need the depth. This team only has 5 guys over 6'7".