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Superbone wrote:

Hermen wrote:I would add that he was also coming from a career year and was in his contract year, so it's not hard to see why he was pissed. In the end I think that mess worked out well for both sides.
As for rookies I don't think it's a problem they express their wishes. It's up to the teams to be a desirable workplace.

Except the part that's not deirable is the number of guards and point guards. Doesn't mean that can't change before or after the draft.

I think you are assuming what is undesirable for him.

Indy wrote:

Superbone wrote:

Hermen wrote:I would add that he was also coming from a career year and was in his contract year, so it's not hard to see why he was pissed. In the end I think that mess worked out well for both sides.
As for rookies I don't think it's a problem they express their wishes. It's up to the teams to be a desirable workplace.

Except the part that's not desirable is the number of guards and point guards. Doesn't mean that can't change before or after the draft.

I think you are assuming what is undesirable for him.

Nope. I'm repeating the reasons that came from his camp from what I've read and heard.

Superbone wrote:

Indy wrote:

Superbone wrote:

Hermen wrote:I would add that he was also coming from a career year and was in his contract year, so it's not hard to see why he was pissed. In the end I think that mess worked out well for both sides.
As for rookies I don't think it's a problem they express their wishes. It's up to the teams to be a desirable workplace.

Except the part that's not desirable is the number of guards and point guards. Doesn't mean that can't change before or after the draft.

I think you are assuming what is undesirable for him.

Nope. I'm repeating the reasons that came from his camp from what I've read and heard.

Got it. Been busy today and only saw the blurb stating he didn't want to be here.

The part I don't like about the Dunn situation is the fact that he is only going to let certain teams give him a physical. He skipped the physical at the combine.

I don't think you can force a player to give a physical before the draft but I do believe that if he does one for a team all teams should have access to that information.

Superbone wrote:

Hermen wrote:I would add that he was also coming from a career year and was in his contract year, so it's not hard to see why he was pissed. In the end I think that mess worked out well for both sides.
As for rookies I don't think it's a problem they express their wishes. It's up to the teams to be a desirable workplace.

Except the part that's not desirable is the number of guards and point guards. Doesn't mean that can't change before or after the draft.

I don't think that is an invalid reason to not want to go to a team. Also if he said this is the reason then there should be no worries for the Suns to draft him if they intend to lower the number of guards in the offseason.

This on the other hand I really dislike: https://twitter.com/RyanKelapire/status/733062424429879296 Edit: That would mean I agree with EDC

EDC wrote:The part I don't like about the Dunn situation is the fact that he is only going to let certain teams give him a physical. He skipped the physical at the combine.

I don't think you can force a player to give a physical before the draft but I do believe that if he does one for a team all teams should have access to that information.

Why? That violates HIPAA. I think players should be in control of who sees what. However, deciding not to show all your prospective employers your history does come off a bit funny. Like he is trying to game the system. I generally don't mind when players try to "take back the power" or control their own destiny, it just stinks when your team is the one they don't want to be on.

Not that I want Dunn anyway. I think he is an average NBA PG prospect.

NBA should confiscate his rookie salary if he wants to do that kind of stuff.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:NBA should confiscate his rookie salary if he wants to do that kind of stuff.

Lol!

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:NBA should confiscate his rookie salary if he wants to do that kind of stuff.

Well, he is sacrificing at least a cool million if we was to be picked by Boston or Phx over someone lower. I guess the money isn't quite that important to him.

No reason to be offended that he doesn't want to come here. It's for basketball reasons, not organizational ones. He'd ride the pine here.

carey wrote:

EDC wrote:The part I don't like about the Dunn situation is the fact that he is only going to let certain teams give him a physical. He skipped the physical at the combine.

I don't think you can force a player to give a physical before the draft but I do believe that if he does one for a team all teams should have access to that information.

Why? That violates HIPAA. I think players should be in control of who sees what. However, deciding not to show all your prospective employers your history does come off a bit funny. Like he is trying to game the system. I generally don't mind when players try to "take back the power" or control their own destiny, it just stinks when your team is the one they don't want to be on.

Not that I want Dunn anyway. I think he is an average NBA PG prospect.

I think when you choose to work for a government sanctioned monopoly like the NBA, you lose a lot of liberties. I think HIPAA should be one of those, if your entire career is based on your body (I know it is not everything, but you get my drift). I think when you sign your paperwork to enter the draft, it should include statements that require you to be made available for interviews/physicals for every team (or a joint interview/common physical).

Indy wrote: I think when you choose to work for a government sanctioned monopoly like the NBA, you lose a lot of liberties. I think HIPAA should be one of those, if your entire career is based on your body (I know it is not everything, but you get my drift). I think when you sign your paperwork to enter the draft, it should include statements that require you to be made available for interviews/physicals for every team (or a joint interview/common physical).

That is a fair & reasoned take. I just disagree but I disagree with many of the "rules" in the Collective Bargaining Agreement so not much of a surprise there. I've often wondered what the NBA would look like without one. Stars going wherever they want for as much as they want. Would the natural order of things balance out the super teams? Would the Lakers and Knicks buy championships every year? What if there were no draft? It's interesting to think about.

carey wrote:

Indy wrote: I think when you choose to work for a government sanctioned monopoly like the NBA, you lose a lot of liberties. I think HIPAA should be one of those, if your entire career is based on your body (I know it is not everything, but you get my drift). I think when you sign your paperwork to enter the draft, it should include statements that require you to be made available for interviews/physicals for every team (or a joint interview/common physical).

That is a fair & reasoned take. I just disagree but I disagree with many of the "rules" in the Collective Bargaining Agreement so not much of a surprise there. I've often wondered what the NBA would look like without one. Stars going wherever they want for as much as they want. Would the natural order of things balance out the super teams? Would the Lakers and Knicks buy championships every year? What if there were no draft? It's interesting to think about.

It is interesting. I would think they would need to "disband" the NBA, and make every team be their own company. We would probably end up with 8-10 teams after a few years, though.

Indy wrote:

carey wrote:

EDC wrote:The part I don't like about the Dunn situation is the fact that he is only going to let certain teams give him a physical. He skipped the physical at the combine.

I don't think you can force a player to give a physical before the draft but I do believe that if he does one for a team all teams should have access to that information.

Why? That violates HIPAA. I think players should be in control of who sees what. However, deciding not to show all your prospective employers your history does come off a bit funny. Like he is trying to game the system. I generally don't mind when players try to "take back the power" or control their own destiny, it just stinks when your team is the one they don't want to be on.

Not that I want Dunn anyway. I think he is an average NBA PG prospect.

I think when you choose to work for a government sanctioned monopoly like the NBA, you lose a lot of liberties. I think HIPAA should be one of those, if your entire career is based on your body (I know it is not everything, but you get my drift). I think when you sign your paperwork to enter the draft, it should include statements that require you to be made available for interviews/physicals for every team (or a joint interview/common physical).

Totally agree. Probably will happen in the next CBA.

Indy wrote:

carey wrote:

Indy wrote: I think when you choose to work for a government sanctioned monopoly like the NBA, you lose a lot of liberties. I think HIPAA should be one of those, if your entire career is based on your body (I know it is not everything, but you get my drift). I think when you sign your paperwork to enter the draft, it should include statements that require you to be made available for interviews/physicals for every team (or a joint interview/common physical).

That is a fair & reasoned take. I just disagree but I disagree with many of the "rules" in the Collective Bargaining Agreement so not much of a surprise there. I've often wondered what the NBA would look like without one. Stars going wherever they want for as much as they want. Would the natural order of things balance out the super teams? Would the Lakers and Knicks buy championships every year? What if there were no draft? It's interesting to think about.

It is interesting. I would think they would need to "disband" the NBA, and make every team be their own company. We would probably end up with 8-10 teams after a few years, though.

And little fan interest. I would have no interest in watching that type of league.

Yup, and ruin decades and decades of history and common stats. No thanks!

Indy wrote:I think when you choose to work for a government sanctioned monopoly like the NBA, you lose a lot of liberties. I think HIPAA should be one of those, if your entire career is based on your body (I know it is not everything, but you get my drift). I think when you sign your paperwork to enter the draft, it should include statements that require you to be made available for interviews/physicals for every team (or a joint interview/common physical).

YES.

Superbone wrote:Yup, and ruin decades and decades of history and common stats. No thanks!

Aren't stats meaningless anyway? Baseball keeps clinging to their "history" and "stats" and all it has done is kill the game.

It goes both ways, the players have guaranteed salaries and rookie scales, that certainly hurt the stars, but protects most of the middle class, much better than the other leagues.

Indy wrote:

Superbone wrote:Yup, and ruin decades and decades of history and common stats. No thanks!

Aren't stats meaningless anyway? Baseball keeps clinging to their "history" and "stats" and all it has done is kill the game.

<threadhijack>Okay, Indy, you gotta explain your perspective on this one to me - as I'm a baseball lifer who has always been knee-deep in the history and stats. </threadhijack