Split T wrote:Towns, Davis, Porzingis, Embiid, Jokic, Gobert, and Giannis are easy trades. I'd probably trade him for kyrie, but I would hesitate. Turner, Parker, Wiggins, Russell are all toss ups and I'd just keep Booker right now. Everyone else is a no.
That's pretty much my list as well, except I'd add Turner as a definite yes. Still really young, but he's a great shot-blocking 7-footer, with a back-to-the-basket game and range out to the 3-point line. And he's proven himself in the playoffs
(I say this as a big Booker fan as well)
I like Turner, he'll have a long career and I don't really have a problem with him being ranked ahead of booker or with you saying you'd trade booker for him. I just think that if he's better than booker, the disparity isn't enough for me to pull the trigger. I've rather enjoyed watching booker and having him on the suns. It'd take someone clearly better with a brighter future for me to trade him.
Split T wrote:I like Turner, he'll have a long career and I don't really have a problem with him being ranked ahead of booker or with you saying you'd trade booker for him. I just think that if he's better than booker, the disparity isn't enough for me to pull the trigger. I've rather enjoyed watching booker and having him on the suns. It'd take someone clearly better with a brighter future for me to trade him.
That's fair enough. Booker is an impressive character off-court and is a good face of the franchise, which I haven't really factored into my thinking.
I'd say T's list is pretty close to my answer too. I probably won't do Kyrie because of the timeline issue, and the fact that he's proven to not be able to carry a team on his own, whereas Booker still has a chance to be able to make players around him better, at least on the offensive end. I would consider Turner in the maybe pile.
Split T wrote:I might consider Bledsoe, Tucker, and Len for Rubio/Dieng/Unprotected 2017 1st/Unprotected 2019 1st
There's no way Minny would give us those two picks. Maybe just the 2019 one.
I think Dieng would be the piece they'd least like to give up in the trade. But I agree that Minny wouldn't do it. Rubio is just there for salary reasons, perhaps if we could find someone willing to take Rubio for an asset, I'd do it with only 1 pick.
Of further examination, Dieng is older than I thought. Still love him, but i thought he was more like 24, not 27.
The Bobster wrote:There is no was Booker is anywhere close to Gobert (33.6 min, 13.1 pts, 12.6 reb, 66% FG%, 2.5 blk)
Please. Maybe in the 80's that was the case. Fact is, big rumbling defensive big men aren't that important in today's NBA. Gobert will never be the best or second best player on a championship team.
The Bobster wrote:There is no was Booker is anywhere close to Gobert (33.6 min, 13.1 pts, 12.6 reb, 66% FG%, 2.5 blk)
Please. Maybe in the 80's that was the case. Fact is, big rumbling defensive big men aren't that important in today's NBA. Gobert will never be the best or second best player on a championship team.
You're way off on this one, Broseph.
So since 2010, the list of NBA Champs:
Lakers
Mavs
Heat x 2
Spurs
Warriors
Cavs
No, the facts show otherwise.
Tyson Chandler was the second best player on that Mavs team. Otherwise, the winners have pretty much had the best or second best player in the NBA on their team.
I'm not disagreeing with your blanket prediction that Gobert will never be the second best player on a title team (I think he could be) because who knows, just your assertion that he doesn't have a place in today's game. He's good enough on D to spearhead the league's best defense (which is half the game) for a decade and agile/selective enough that he doesn't hurt you on offense. I'll take that kind of player in any era.
Precious Achiuwa, Dalano Banton, Batum, Chris Boucher, Amir Coffey, Tre Jones, Laravia, Mamukelashvili, Tre Mann, De'Anthony Melton, Minott, Nance, Chris Paul, GP2, T. Prince, Reed, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Tate, Watford, Yabusele
Which proves my point unless you're into #alternativefacts. None of those teams had a key maxed out player that was a defensive center with limited offensive game. The game has changed. I would not start a team with him. Embiid, Towns, Davis okay. Gobert is more in the mold of Deandre Jordan. PASS
I don't agree with that. Gobert may not have a strong mid range or outside shot, but he's no DeAndre Jordan. If nothing else, he is shooting 65% from the free throw line, which, as SDC has so eloquently stated, means that he'll be shooting 3s at a 35% clip in 2 years.
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:If you wouldn't take Gobert on your team, I don't know what to tell you. That dude is crazy good and will be for a long long time.
Yup. Exactly the kind of C you need when you have wimpy rebounding PF like Chriss.
That's a huge deal for them. Poor Levine; at least he's young enough that hopefully he can recover fully.
