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INFORMER wrote:

OE32 wrote:He's just too expensive for the number of wins he's likely to add. Ya feel me? Or would you pony up? You didn't like Bled at $14m per - what do you think of Dragic at $15? $16? $17?

I can't feel ya because I'm fundamentally opposed to choosing Bledsoe over him. And I have no problem with paying Dragic $15 million a year.

I assume you are saying if we are happy paying Eric 14, then Goran is certainly worth 15.

Sure, but if we are committed to keeping Bledsoe, you can't be suggesting you would be ok if paying our starting back court 30 million a year. Right?

Superbone wrote:

INFORMER wrote:Bledsoe was very unproductive in his freshman year at Kentucky playing off the ball.

And behind the Wall?

Boner

OE32 wrote:

Robot wrote:

I think Dragic would obviously be better as a lead guard, making decisions and having the ball in his hands. He's somewhat marginalized due to Bledsoe, but you could say the same Bledsoe and IT3. If we had a legit, prototype 2 guard and just Bledsoe or Dragic getting 35mpg at the point, would we be better/more effective?

Couldn't this change be made by coach ? I haven't watched many games this year but always seems Dragic should be lead guard and Bled SG, but not sure why that isn't the case.

- R

I think the biggest reason is that Goran is the better shooter. If your penetration leads to a kick-out for a 3, Bledsoe's not the guy you want launching that shot.

eric's usually the better outside shooter, but he takes so many bad shots it hurts his FG%.

I'd take Dragic shooting a 3 over Bledsoe seven days a week.

Mori Chu wrote:I'd take Dragic shooting a 3 over Bledsoe seven days a week.

They aren't that different depending on location.

Just give me Bledsoe-Dragic and use IT3+ to acquire a PF who can put Kieff on the bench. If possible, while improving IQ.

I believe that's the best path for the Suns. More balanced, smarter basketball. Less one on one, more ball movement, less holes on D+R.

If our backcourt is top3 with just Dragic-Bledsoe, I am happy spending $30M per on it. I also think that both players would get enough time to be the sole PG to make everybody happy.

I see some interest in upgrading at SF, but I am ok with having that position held by 'committee'.

INFORMER wrote:

OE32 wrote:He's just too expensive for the number of wins he's likely to add. Ya feel me? Or would you pony up? You didn't like Bled at $14m per - what do you think of Dragic at $15? $16? $17?

I can't feel ya because I'm fundamentally opposed to choosing Bledsoe over him. And I have no problem with paying Dragic $15 million a year.

That's fine. You seemed to be inferring before that my analysis was somehow irrational. Now I see we simply disagree. And I think it's pretty clear that Bledsoe works well next to IT while a Goran/IT backcourt struggles. As such, keeping Goran over Bledsoe probably means getting rid of both Bled and IT - which, it seems, the majority of the fanbase would be ok with. i take the opposite view.

Indy wrote:

Mori Chu wrote:I'd take Dragic shooting a 3 over Bledsoe seven days a week.

They aren't that different depending on location.

One big difference I see is that Bled gets to pick his spots, especially since he's the primary ballhandler, while Goran is being relied on to shoot it whenever it's kicked out to him and he's open. If Goran were handling it, I think you'd see his percentage increase. Bled seems to need time to get his shot off, which is additionally problematic due to his size.

OE32 wrote:One big difference I see is that Bled gets to pick his spots, especially since he's the primary ballhandler, while Goran is being relied on to shoot it whenever it's kicked out to him and he's open. If Goran were handling it, I think you'd see his percentage increase. Bled seems to need time to get his shot off, which is additionally problematic due to his size.

Yup. Bledsoe basically shoots a set shot 3. It's one of the major weaknesses in his game and one that generally annoys me. Combined with his turnovers it is why I was not a proponent of his extension at that salary.

OE32 wrote:

INFORMER wrote:

OE32 wrote:He's just too expensive for the number of wins he's likely to add. Ya feel me? Or would you pony up? You didn't like Bled at $14m per - what do you think of Dragic at $15? $16? $17?

I can't feel ya because I'm fundamentally opposed to choosing Bledsoe over him. And I have no problem with paying Dragic $15 million a year.

That's fine. You seemed to be inferring before that my analysis was somehow irrational. Now I see we simply disagree. And I think it's pretty clear that Bledsoe works well next to IT while a Goran/IT backcourt struggles. As such, keeping Goran over Bledsoe probably means getting rid of both Bled and IT - which, it seems, the majority of the fanbase would be ok with. i take the opposite view.

I actually agree that Bledsoe and Thomas seem to work better than Goran and Thomas. But the value of that combo is not enough to make me want to discard Goran.

INFORMER wrote:
Hold on now. You said the only teams linked to trading for Dragic is Indiana. That link says otherwise. Does it not count because it doesn't mention what the teams are offering? It establishes that multiple teams are linked to pursuing Dragic, which you said to the contrary. Yes, it does mention they are gauging the Suns interest in breaking up the 3 point guards, but it also mentions that Dragic has garnered the most attention. Let's not have selective reading.

But to your point that the article doesn't tell you more about his trade value: show me reports of teams calling about acquiring Markieff Morris.

The only team specifically linked to trading Dragic was Indiana."Multiple" teams calling does not mean teams have been specifically linked to trade for him. There are no specific teams mentioned in that article, besides speculation Houston "May" be interested in FA. What we were trying to do is establish Dragic's trade value by seeing what other teams are offering and the only concrete proof we have of that is Indiana's offer.

I have no reports about Markieff Morris being called about, however, I think thats more because teams find him unattainable due to the fact the suns just locked him up for 4 years and they would be a lot less apt to accept a low ball offer, like they may with Dragic who they risk losing for nothing. I am curious to see is if there is any stem to this recent fighting thing, is if teams will start calling thinking the suns may try to dump him.

Sunsfan4life wrote: The only team specifically linked to trading Dragic was Indiana."Multiple" teams calling does not mean teams have been specifically linked to trade for him. There are no specific teams mentioned in that article, besides speculation Houston "May" be interested in FA.

Wow, I think you're really splitting hairs there. But no need to continue the debate. I've said my piece, you've said yours. Many agree with you, probably no one agrees with me, so clearly I'm wrong. My goal wasn't to win the debate (though some may beg to differ), just discuss and articulate my point of view. I've done that, and you've listened, so you have my appreciation. We can move on.

I can appreciate that. I'm sure you have alot of people out there that value someone other then Kieff as the most tradable asset of the suns. It is an opinion based question