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carey wrote:

In2ition wrote:

Superbone wrote:Must be nice to be the Lakers. Magic has already assured Luke Walton that they're getting a top three pick:

Miss Chloe and Adam Silver assured Magic.

You mean the recently passed Ms. Cleo television fortune teller?

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:Dis - cuss?

3rdside wrote:

Split T wrote:Wingspan is definitely helpful, but it's not going to keep Jackson from being a good defender. Jackson isn't going to the combine, so we might not get any new measurements, but his pre college measurements were 6'8 with shoes and a 6'10 wingspan. Other comparable players:

Jimmy Butler 6'8/6'8
Gordon Hayward 6'8/6'8
Andre Iguodala 6'7/6'11
Paul George 6'9/6'11
Shane Battier 6'9/6'10
Joe Johnson 6'8/6'9

Most of those guys are really good defenders.

NBA Defensive Team Appearances:

- Jimmy Butler - 2nd team x 3
- Gordon Hayward - N/A
- Andre Iguodala - 1st team x 1, 2nd team x 1
- Paul George - 1st team x 1, 2nd team x 2
- Shane Battier - 2nd team x 2
- Joe Johnson - N/A

So agreed on Jackson. Iguodala, on the basis of your measurements, probably qualifies as having excess wing span, leaving George as the only 1st teamer, so they're mainly very good, rather than great, defenders.


Looking at the DPOY list below, Joakim Noah is 6'11" and has a span of 7'1" so either the 'abnormal excess wing span over height' theory doesn't work, or there's extra parts to it:

1. The taller you get, the narrower your shoulders become i.e. there is a correlation between the two. Therefore as a taller player, you're likely to be in the paint where your priority is blocking and deterring shots and it's your standing reach that helps with this. Shoulder width has no impact on standing reach but it does on wing span. As such, it seems you can be an elite defender with only a moderate excess of wing span over height but it's very likely you're going to be a tall, paint player.

Paul George is a bit of an outlier.

2. As the players get shorter, the excess wing span over height becomes greater as you're now adding increased shoulder width on top of long arms. Therefore to be an elite, shorter, defender (Artest, Leonard, Pippen etc), the longer your wing span will be relative to guys your size as steals, defensive deflections and smothering become your priority, and wingspan - sideways reach - helps with this. This supports the theory.

Ben Wallace in the list below is just a sick beast.

2001–02 Ben Wallace 6'7" / 7'2"
2002–03 Ben Wallace 
2003–04 Ron Artest 6'7" / 7'2"
2004–05 Ben Wallace 
2005–06 Ben Wallace 
2006–07 Marcus Camby 6'11 / 7'4"
2007–08 Kevin Garnett 6'11" / 7'4"
2008–09 Dwight Howard 6'11" / 7'4"
2009–10 Dwight Howard
2010–11 Dwight Howard
2011–12 Tyson Chandler 6'11" / 7'2"
2012–13 Marc Gasol 7'1" / 7'4"
2013–14 Joakim Noah 6'11" / 7'1"
2014–15 Kawhi Leonard - 6'7" / 7'3"
2015–16 Kawhi Leonard

History can only suggest that the odds are in the Suns favor this year when it comes to the NBA Draft Lottery. Entering their 50th season, the Suns have impressively only been eligible for the first overall pick 14 times. The Suns have moved up twice (1986, 1987) and fallen three times (1988, 1999, 2013), but have never received the number one selection.

The Suns currently hold the second best odds to landthe first overall pick. As this is their 15th chance, it’s about time the ping pong balls bounced their way.

Superbone wrote:http://www.nba.com/suns/draft/phoenix-s ... ew_powered

Phoenix Suns History in the NBA Draft Lottery

History can only suggest that the odds are in the Suns favor this year when it comes to the NBA Draft Lottery. Entering their 50th season, the Suns have impressively only been eligible for the first overall pick 14 times. The Suns have moved up twice (1986, 1987) and fallen three times (1988, 1999, 2013), but have never received the number one selection.

The Suns currently hold the second best odds to landthe first overall pick. As this is their 15th chance, it’s about time the ping pong balls bounced their way.

Nodack wrote:

Superbone wrote:http://www.nba.com/suns/draft/phoenix-s ... ew_powered

Phoenix Suns History in the NBA Draft Lottery

History can only suggest that the odds are in the Suns favor this year when it comes to the NBA Draft Lottery. Entering their 50th season, the Suns have impressively only been eligible for the first overall pick 14 times. The Suns have moved up twice (1986, 1987) and fallen three times (1988, 1999, 2013), but have never received the number one selection.

The Suns currently hold the second best odds to landthe first overall pick. As this is their 15th chance, it’s about time the ping pong balls bounced their way.

Which means we have no chance.

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:My stomach is already tied in knots in anticipation of the lottery selection. Oh man. This could determine the next 5-10 years of our franchise right here. Trying to think of the last lottery that meant so much for us. Maybe the one where we lost out on Joakim Noah, even though we had a lower pick that year?

carey wrote:I'm resigned to picking 4th so I'm not even nervous.

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Indy wrote:

Nodack wrote:

Superbone wrote:http://www.nba.com/suns/draft/phoenix-s ... ew_powered

Phoenix Suns History in the NBA Draft Lottery

History can only suggest that the odds are in the Suns favor this year when it comes to the NBA Draft Lottery. Entering their 50th season, the Suns have impressively only been eligible for the first overall pick 14 times. The Suns have moved up twice (1986, 1987) and fallen three times (1988, 1999, 2013), but have never received the number one selection.

The Suns currently hold the second best odds to landthe first overall pick. As this is their 15th chance, it’s about time the ping pong balls bounced their way.

Which means we have no chance.

Aren't you supposed to be the positive one around here?