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Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 10:30 am
by Split T
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:33 am
Or…perhaps the front office no longer considers us to be a championship contender?
We traded everything for KD to try and build for the future?
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 11:47 am
by INFORMER
SunsSince92 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 9:38 pm
I think we'll hire Young. Nurse will end up in Philly.
SS92 is halfway there. I think you're going to be 100% right.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 11:49 am
by INFORMER
ShelC wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:29 am
Ishbia's a wildcard but Jones has been big on continuity and Young would provide continuity while also providing a change of ideas and schemes without a major shakeup in the program. A new coach like Nurse, Vogel, Rivers might be too drastic given our window. We don't need a complete reset with a new voice, new staff, new "culture" looking to establish itself learning the players and the org. Young may also be safer for Jones himself, who could lose a potential power struggle with a bigger name coach like Rivers or Vogel.
Very good points.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 11:51 am
by TOO
Split T wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:30 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:33 am
Or…perhaps the front office no longer considers us to be a championship contender?
We traded everything for KD to try and build for the future?
Don't feed the trolls.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 11:53 am
by INFORMER
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:30 pm
Nurse had a bigger let down than Monty did in my view; That team is f---ing stacked and they had an awful year.
This. I think Nurse is a good coach, but I wouldn't ignore what a terrible year a very talented Toronto team had. I know a different voice can help, but I don't see how you fire Monty to hire a guy that couldn't get a very talented roster into the playoffs.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 11:55 am
by JeremyG
Split T wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:30 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:33 am
Or…perhaps the front office no longer considers us to be a championship contender?
We traded everything for KD to try and build for the future?
Just bringing up possibilities on what they're thinking currently.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:00 pm
by INFORMER
I think if the Suns are going to keep Ayton (groan), they should go with Vogel. If not, go with Young. I think Vogel has the best chance of getting something more out of Ayton than any other candidate.
Young apparently has Book's endorsement (per Marc Stein), and Young also had a frontrow seat to see everything that wasn't working. So maybe that gives him an advantage over any external candidate.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 12:15 pm
by Superbone
TOO wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:44 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:33 am
Or…perhaps the front office no longer considers us to be a championship contender?
This definitely makes the most sense.
It does?
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 1:07 pm
by TOO
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 12:15 pm
TOO wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:44 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:33 am
Or…perhaps the front office no longer considers us to be a championship contender?
This definitely makes the most sense.
It does?
Didn't think this needed green font.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 1:54 pm
by JeremyG
If we get rid of Ayton and Paul, while bringing in mediocre role players, then we are certainly not going to be a championship contender. Whether the front office is smart enough to realize that, I don't know.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 1:54 pm
by Drewsprocket
This long delay in hiring is fishy, right?
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 2:37 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:54 pm
If we get rid of Ayton and Paul, while bringing in mediocre role players, then we are certainly not going to be a championship contender. Whether the front office is smart enough to realize that, I don't know.
Yeah, I heard we are on the lookout to find mediocre role players. Shamet level or lower. Good luck to us.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 2:38 pm
by Superbone
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:54 pm
This long delay in hiring is fishy, right?
I don't think so. I heard end of the week.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 3:19 pm
by JeremyG
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 2:37 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:54 pm
If we get rid of Ayton and Paul, while bringing in mediocre role players, then we are certainly not going to be a championship contender. Whether the front office is smart enough to realize that, I don't know.
Yeah, I heard we are on the lookout to find mediocre role players. Shamet level or lower. Good luck to us.
Shamet can only hope to become a mediocre role player.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 3:51 pm
by Drewsprocket
Superbone wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 2:38 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 1:54 pm
This long delay in hiring is fishy, right?
I don't think so. I heard end of the week.
I hope so. I’ve wondered what the deal was. Everyone in this league generally knows who they want when they’re hiring for a coach and things get locked up fast. Perhaps this is Ishbia enjoying the process of being an owner.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 4:16 pm
by JeremyG
Vladimir_Taltos wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:15 pm
Ya'll wrong...Young gets a year try out...if he does great things, fine...if not, next year Lue comes off his contract and will get the call...
Or Young is a bridge to Bob Myers (who it sounds like wants some time off) and...Steve Kerr, whose contract also ends next summer.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 7:10 pm
by Superbone
Redick is on team Young.
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 9:11 pm
by Superbone
For those of you wishing for Myers:
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Tue May 30, 2023 9:13 pm
by AmareIsGod
Eventually Gambino is going to be wrong and then I can say "I told you guys he doesn't know what he's talking about!".
Re: 2023 Coaching Search
Posted: Wed May 31, 2023 3:06 am
by ShelC
Young isn't a Monty clone. He can still be new blood even if he was on the staff. Look at the Raps firing Casey and elevating Nurse.