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Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:35 pm
by 3rdside
AmareIsGod wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:25 pm
It's simple. If they don't keep spewing "CONSPIRACY AND FRAUD" over and over on Twitter and in the media, they won't get more donations from their rabid base. $300 million isn't how much Guliani's legal fees are so the majority of that money has to go somewhere. This "fight to legitimize the votes" doesn't cost anywhere near the amount of money pouring in from donations. They can scream FIRE all they want on Twitter and elsewhere and then have absolutely no evidence in the court room and continue to get cases thrown out behind closed doors as long as they pretend to be outraged so their base keeps sending them money.

It's sad that people are being completely duped through all of this when the reality is right in front of our faces. This is a massive con job to get a bunch of people that will believe anything out of the Trump administration and his own mouth as gospel, regardless of actual credible evidence shown the public and completely lacking in the courtroom.

If they don't continue the theatrics, that's the end of the cash flow.
This is not even difficult to understand, yet here is 45% of the population just not seeing it.

The cult is strong / the dumbing down of America is on full display / digital fake news has taken a hold .. call it however you see it, it’s hugely disturbing all the same.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:47 pm
by Superbone
3rdside wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:35 pm
AmareIsGod wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:25 pm
It's simple. If they don't keep spewing "CONSPIRACY AND FRAUD" over and over on Twitter and in the media, they won't get more donations from their rabid base. $300 million isn't how much Guliani's legal fees are so the majority of that money has to go somewhere. This "fight to legitimize the votes" doesn't cost anywhere near the amount of money pouring in from donations. They can scream FIRE all they want on Twitter and elsewhere and then have absolutely no evidence in the court room and continue to get cases thrown out behind closed doors as long as they pretend to be outraged so their base keeps sending them money.

It's sad that people are being completely duped through all of this when the reality is right in front of our faces. This is a massive con job to get a bunch of people that will believe anything out of the Trump administration and his own mouth as gospel, regardless of actual credible evidence shown the public and completely lacking in the courtroom.

If they don't continue the theatrics, that's the end of the cash flow.
This is not even difficult to understand, yet here is 45% of the population just not seeing it.

The cult is strong / the dumbing down of America is on full display / digital fake news has taken a hold .. call it however you see it, it’s hugely disturbing all the same.
Yep. I thought our country as a whole was smarter than this. I was wrong. It's still a minority but it's a loud, ignorant minority.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:13 pm
by Mori Chu
I don't know what we do to get out of this. You have people like drawls in this thread who spew these bogus links to sketchy web sites with info that has been thoroughly debunked all over the place. You try to show them the debunking, but they won't believe it because it comes from the Fake News Liberal Lamestream Media. They aren't willing to go Google things and read the fact-checking. They won't accept the rulings of courts of law that have looked at this stuff and dismissed it as having no merit. How can you break through? I don't think it is possible.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:15 pm
by 3rdside
It was smart enough for November 3rd, that’s the main thing ... now to address the problems at root, though that will take some doing (and it’s not just USA with a dumbing down problem even though I do think it’s worse there than elsewhere).

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 6:04 pm
by 3rdside
And at least you could vote out Trump, Brexit is almost certainly going to be a disaster ..

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:17 pm
by Nodack
All the states have certified except one who will tomorrow. As long as the Electoral College votes right it’s all over.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 12:05 am
by Superbone
The reality is that it’s been over for weeks.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 3:52 am
by bIGDRAWLS0072

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:28 am
by bIGDRAWLS0072

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:55 am
by ShelC
Here's why Texas is taking up the cause for Trump. AG probably looking for a pardon

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/22 ... eeks%20ago.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:42 am
by bIGDRAWLS0072
Set voter fraud aside for a second. In anyway shape or form was the US Constitution not abided by for Biden to so called "Win" the election?

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:59 am
by Indy
bIGDRAWLS0072 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:42 am
Set voter fraud aside for a second. In anyway shape or form was the US Constitution not abided by for Biden to so called "Win" the election?
If you are alleging that happened, please show your facts. Which part of the US constitution (which gives election power to the states) was violated?

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:02 am
by bIGDRAWLS0072
Indy wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:59 am
bIGDRAWLS0072 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:42 am
Set voter fraud aside for a second. In anyway shape or form was the US Constitution not abided by for Biden to so called "Win" the election?
If you are alleging that happened, please show your facts. Which part of the US constitution (which gives election power to the states) was violated?
I'm asking you.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:05 am
by Indy
bIGDRAWLS0072 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:02 am
Indy wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:59 am
bIGDRAWLS0072 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:42 am
Set voter fraud aside for a second. In anyway shape or form was the US Constitution not abided by for Biden to so called "Win" the election?
If you are alleging that happened, please show your facts. Which part of the US constitution (which gives election power to the states) was violated?
I'm asking you.
Proof doesn't work that way. You are alleging impropriety. So you have to prove it. You don't show up to court every day to prove you didn't kill someone, right? If someone accuses you, they have to prove it.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:13 am
by AmareIsGod
bIGDRAWLS0072 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 7:02 am
Indy wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:59 am
bIGDRAWLS0072 wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:42 am
Set voter fraud aside for a second. In anyway shape or form was the US Constitution not abided by for Biden to so called "Win" the election?
If you are alleging that happened, please show your facts. Which part of the US constitution (which gives election power to the states) was violated?
I'm asking you.
This is a cop-out. This is the same tactic many Trump supporters use on Twitter and other platforms I notice. "Biden needs to prove that he won the election. Biden needs to prove there wasn't any fraud."

Are you kidding me? The proof is in the votes. Is he supposed to hand count them in front of a livestream that Trump supporters can watch? When you accuse someone of fraud or the results of being fraudulent, you have to provide some sort of facts or evidence showing said allegation is fact. biGDRAWLS0072, what are you expecting any of us to do? We don't have any facts or evidence of actual fraudulent election results you, Trump or anyone has presented to try to disprove. So what are you asking anyone here to do?

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:54 am
by Superbone
Nobody has proven voter fraud to this point. Every case from Trump's legal team has been lost. There is no voter fraud no matter how many times Trump says there is.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 11:07 am
by Indy
Superbone wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:54 am
Nobody has proven voter fraud to this point. Every case from Trump's legal team has been lost. There is no voter fraud no matter how many times Trump says there is.
To be fair, I think they did win one. I think it lost at the next level up, but I have seen a lot of reports saying they are 1-48--but this seems to change daily. I think I saw it is something like 1-53 as of last night.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:26 pm
by Nodack
And it wasn’t about fraud I believe.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:34 pm
by Indy
Nodack wrote:
Wed Dec 09, 2020 4:26 pm
And it wasn’t about fraud I believe.
that is correct. I think it was the distance between observers and actual counting of ballots in one county out of thousands.

Re: 2020 Election Thread

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:30 am
by 3rdside
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:13 pm
I don't know what we do to get out of this. You have people like drawls in this thread who spew these bogus links to sketchy web sites with info that has been thoroughly debunked all over the place. You try to show them the debunking, but they won't believe it because it comes from the Fake News Liberal Lamestream Media. They aren't willing to go Google things and read the fact-checking. They won't accept the rulings of courts of law that have looked at this stuff and dismissed it as having no merit. How can you break through? I don't think it is possible.
This might be good start:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/09/tech ... index.html

Getting Americans off religion another - religion seems to discourage critical thinking via the provision of an easy answer to everything - god - and also seems to encourage cult worship, the particular problem of trump. Taxing churches to begin this, maybe?

Critical thinking classes into the curriculum.

Better public schooling.

More effective social media censorship.

Some things to consider anyway.