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Nodack wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 10, 2022 12:33 pm

Yes, I believe the main reason for not going with the Mig plan was because it ultimately be the US delivering them to Ukraine and Biden felt that would provoke Putin. We are all sending in anti tank weapons etc.and for some reason that isn’t going too far but, the jets are. Obviously it’s a fine line we are balancing. Ukraine pilots fly Migs so they could immediately use those jets. Giving them American planes would require extensive training, which they don’t have time for and we wouldn’t send them anyway.

Nodack wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 10, 2022 1:39 pm

The remarks from the North Carolina Republican congressman seeking reelection are out of step with the view of most GOP voters

Not if you include Trump supporters.

WHO, US worry Ukrainian biological lab samples could spill, go to Russians


Amid Russian biowarfare "disinformation," there's real concern for research labs.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/03 ... -russians/

The World Health Organization has advised officials in Ukraine to destroy any high-risk pathogens housed in public health laboratories in order to prevent their release amid the Russian onslaught, according to a report by Reuters.

The agency said that it has worked with Ukrainian officials for years to promote security practices at its laboratories to prevent "accidental or deliberate release of pathogens." As part of that longstanding work, "WHO has strongly recommended to the Ministry of Health in Ukraine and other responsible bodies to destroy high-threat pathogens to prevent any potential spills," the agency said in an email to Reuters. The WHO did not clarify when it made that recommendation or if it was carried out.

The news follows Senate testimony on Tuesday by Victoria Nuland, US Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, who said that the US is "quite concerned" that Russian troops will seek out Ukraine's biological research laboratories to seize control of any potentially dangerous samples.

"Ukraine has biological research facilities, which in fact we are now quite concerned [that] Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of," Nuland said in the hearing held by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "So, we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces, should they approach."

“Clear pattern”
The concerns come as Russia and China have amplified allegations, without evidence, that the US runs laboratories developing biological and chemical weapons in Ukraine. US officials fear the talk is an "obvious ploy" by Russia to try to justify invading Ukraine and possibly a "false flag operation" to use biological or chemical weapons in Ukraine.

"It is classic Russian technique to blame... the other guy [for] what they're planning to do themselves," Nuland said Tuesday.

In a statement released Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki called the claims by Russia and Chinese officials "preposterous" and "disinformation."

While reporting that the US does not possess or develop biological or chemical weapons anywhere, Psaki noted that Russia has a long history of using chemical weapons against foes, including the use of a Novichok nerve agent against Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny as well as former Russian double-agent Sergei Skripal.

"This is all an obvious ploy by Russia to try to justify its further premeditated, unprovoked, and unjustified attack on Ukraine," Psaki said. "Now that Russia has made these false claims and China has seemingly endorsed this propaganda, we should all be on the lookout for Russia to possibly use chemical or biological weapons in Ukraine or to create a false flag operation using them. It’s a clear pattern."

Why are there high risk pathogens in these labs, and what exactly are these specific pathogens? Truth is the first casualty of any war, and I kinda feel like the level of propaganda and disinformation on this war, from both sides in the conflict, has been outrageous.

• Because Ukrainian researchers, like researchers worldwide, study dangerous pathogens to be able to develop new medical interventions to save lives.

• Ukraine has a lot of former Soviet facilities and WHO is being careful.
  
  Russia specifically claimed that AMERICAN bio facilities were in Ukraine, which makes zero sense, given that it's such a high risk area and we didn't even have a troop presence outside of trainers. It's just the dumbest lie they could think of, really.

• Basically, Ukraine inherited a lot of labs from the USSR, and they’ve been using them for things like how to prevent/treat pandemics, disease research, etc. It isn’t surprising that there are these labs doing this kind of research.
  
  There are a lot of high-risk pathogens out there. They get to be lower in risk via careful study in secure labs. An artillery shell is not in most of these laboratories threat models, so the safest thing to do is dump everything of concern into an incinerator before an unguided bomb does only half the job.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:46 am

I saw some incredible and terrifying video of the airborne drops, the aircraft coming over the skies and the explosions of military assets in Ukraine.

Apparently, Results of the first four hours of the operation against Ukraine:

Air Defence destroyed
Air Force destroyed
Navy destroyed
There are no more Ukrainian drones.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 12, 2022 3:53 pm

You also posted this 24 hours into the most recent invasion.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:46 am

I saw some incredible and terrifying video of the airborne drops, the aircraft coming over the skies and the explosions of military assets in Ukraine.

Apparently, Results of the first four hours of the operation against Ukraine:

Air Defence destroyed
Air Force destroyed
Navy destroyed
There are no more Ukrainian drones.

Maybe take a breath or something before posting wildly difficult to prove stuff if you want people to change their opinion or take your advice seriously.