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Indy wrote:

OE32 wrote:Alex Len got beat up tonight. But it was nice to see him get angry. He's got a long ways to go.

Yeah, but it looks like it is in him.

I gotta admit, I really don't like how eager he is to go to the turn-around on offense. I don't know the solution with him on offense. He's got to figure himself out. It was good to see him put the ball on the floor.

Everyone see how we went to Miles early? They must have spent a ton of practice time on passing the ball to the big. We have no one to P&R with, and that's what we're running.

If anyone can use Alex in practice, I bet it's ******* Tyler - who's buried deep, deeeep where playing time will not be found until maybe the last game of the season.

That was such a depressing loss. Changes seem to be needed. I wish they could figure it out but it just looks like these guys don't work that well together.

See Kieff? It's better to just shut up and play. Winning these games would be ok too.

Wow. That's the low point of the season. The team is going the wrong direction. Time to shake things up.

Where has INF been?

iLLmatic wrote:Where has INF been?

He hasn't been around since that dust up with Swing a few weeks ago. None of us are happy about that.

I must have missed that...What was it about?

carey wrote:

iLLmatic wrote:Where has INF been?

He hasn't been around since that dust up with Swing a few weeks ago. None of us are happy about that.

Watch yourself, now.....

I think I found the post...wow I didn't realize he's been gone for that long. That's a shame, I always enjoyed his insightful posts.

Was anyone else watching the game wondering, why IT was playing so many minutes? He played the entire 2nd quarter and last 15 or so total minutes (if I am remembering right). And he didn't look to be playing all that well, his shot was definitely off and he wasn't playing and D or moving the ball.

I am of the belief that he should get 12-15 mins per game, unless he is lighting it up w/ his shooting, then he should be extended. No reason to leave Bled/Dragic/Mook/Green/PJ on the bench so he can be out there...

I think there's some relatively easy fixes that would at least get the team moving in the right direction. Dragic needs to be the primary point guard, not Bledsoe. Start Alex over Miles. TJ Warren needs to take Tolliver's minutes and hopefully push for PJ's starting spot. I honestly think one of the biggest problems this year has been the rotation; it just doesn't make sense to me.

SwingMan wrote:

carey wrote:

iLLmatic wrote:Where has INF been?

He hasn't been around since that dust up with Swing a few weeks ago. None of us are happy about that.

Watch yourself, now.....

Swing, please stop openly insulting and taunting the site mods. You've done it to INF, Indy, carey, and maybe others.

I, too, miss INF. But I'm excited that Uncle_Gene is back! Woo hoo!!!! Welcome back, ya broken record you!

wpmiller42 wrote:I think there's some relatively easy fixes that would at least get the team moving in the right direction. Dragic needs to be the primary point guard, not Bledsoe. Start Alex over Miles. TJ Warren needs to take Tolliver's minutes and hopefully push for PJ's starting spot. I honestly think one of the biggest problems this year has been the rotation; it just doesn't make sense to me.

The way Horny defers to the vets on this team - to the detriment of the team - you'd think we were prepping them for a trade. The question is, what ****ing trade? The most enticing thing on the market is probably that Pels' pick Houston holds. I'd love to get my hands on Vonleh without giving up Ennis.

Don't get me wrong - I love TJ and think he is the most talented player on the roster. But if anyone's shown he could improve our play this year, sadly, IMO, it's Tyler Ennis. He gets teammates involved the way none of our other PG's do. Totally unselfish. And he doesn't turn the ball over, the way Goran and especially Bledsoe do. How many times this season have we seen our offense grind to a halt due to consecutive turnovers by Bledsoe? Hard to remain enthused when your point guard gives the ball away before anyone else ever touches it.

If I had my way, I'd ditch Goran, Tucker, Gerald and Plum - and I'd give all that up for the Pels' pick, Vonleh, and a bad contract like Gerald Henderson. THEN I'd try to combine our lotto picks (as many as 3! We could even keep one or two of them or roll one forward!) with Bledsoe to nab one of the two top picks to grab one of these bigs. Then, after all those trades *in favor of other teams*, we'd have:

IT/Ennis
[Henderson]/Goodwin/Zoran (and eventually Bogdanovic)
Mook/Warren
Kieff/Vonleh/Tolliver
Len/Towns or Okafor

Rebuild accomplished.

BTW - Alex is not Amare Stoudemire. Bledsoe is not Steve Nash. And I, for one, am sick of watching an offense that is absolutely 100% completely dependent on the 3-ball. It used be 3's or dunks. Now it's just 3's. It's a formula that's never worked for any team ever.

cbesch5 wrote:Was anyone else watching the game wondering, why IT was playing so many minutes? He played the entire 2nd quarter and last 15 or so total minutes (if I am remembering right). And he didn't look to be playing all that well, his shot was definitely off and he wasn't playing and D or moving the ball.

I am of the belief that he should get 12-15 mins per game, unless he is lighting it up w/ his shooting, then he should be extended. No reason to leave Bled/Dragic/Mook/Green/PJ on the bench so he can be out there...

I noticed that the offense ground to a halt when he was out there. Those minutes didn't help our cause.

Maybe it's time to see if we can talk to Carmello's agent about him wanting to come here...

Phoenix won't be able to get a superstar via free agency because of the market so we'll probably have to start with getting one via trade to get the ball rolling.

It's not that I have a sports boner for Carmello it's the fact that we don't have a superstar and Eric Bledsoe will never be one on his own. This team is a team full of roll players.

Also, when do we get to see Zoran? One game for 2 mins and it's mid December? That's the lowest total for any player that was on an opening day roster? Anyone else find it weird that he hasn't played a lick?

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to really care about the results on a night by night basis of this team. I'm really excited about Len's progress and encouraged by the glimpses shown by Warren and even Ennis. But until we make a trade this team just feels like it's in a holding pattern

Mori Chu wrote:

SwingMan wrote:

carey wrote:

iLLmatic wrote:Where has INF been?

He hasn't been around since that dust up with Swing a few weeks ago. None of us are happy about that.

Watch yourself, now.....

Swing, please stop openly insulting and taunting the site mods. You've done it to INF, Indy, carey, and maybe others.

No taunts or insults here at all - just telling him not to blame INF's recent absence on me, as there's no proof of it.

Had no idea Indy was a mod (and, for the record, he wasn't exactly tauntless himself the other night), but after carey's unwarranted attack on Aztec_Sunsfan this past July, the guy should've had his mod privileges stripped. Hell Mori, even you admitted his role in all that.....

Gladiator wrote:I'm finding it increasingly difficult to really care about the results on a night by night basis of this team. I'm really excited about Len's progress and encouraged by the glimpses shown by Warren and even Ennis. But until we make a trade this team just feels like it's in a holding pattern

I think something's going to give pretty soon - like, in a matter of days. And, unfortunately, I think it might involve at least Plumlee and Thomas getting shipped.