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Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:56 am
by Mori Chu
Yeah, that statement from Coach sounds really weak, like he didn't have the nerve to go through with his tech policy. Now it's totally unclear when or if he'd ever bench a guy for it. Sounds like he got cold feet.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:16 am
by Ring_Wanted
Maybe it is a way to not losing the players. For better or worse, the coach and the players want to win and make the playoffs, so they have to find a way to make it work. There are already rumblings about moves, and there is already one guy basically out of the rotation because of a recent trade.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:51 am
by Indy
Ring_Wanted wrote:Maybe it is a way to not losing the players. For better or worse, the coach and the players want to win and make the playoffs, so they have to find a way to make it work. There are already rumblings about moves, and there is already one guy basically out of the rotation because of a recent trade.
I don't know. Plumlee played 20 minutes last game. I am not sure BW is going to be healthy enough to give us 20 mpg the entire season.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:49 am
by ShelC
The tech thing seems bush league. I like that Horny is trying something new and holding guys accountable, but you shouldn't risk the game to punish a guy. If anything, fine them $5,000 for every tech. Hit them where it hurts.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:21 am
by carey
ShelC wrote:The tech thing seems bush league. I like that Horny is trying something new and holding guys accountable, but you shouldn't risk the game to punish a guy. If anything, fine them $5,000 for every tech. Hit them where it hurts.
Pretty sure the CBA prevents teams from doing that.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:40 am
by Mori Chu
I would have done something less severe like benching them for the rest of that quarter in which they got the tech. But it's too bad that now he has to reverse it and look weak as a leader. I do think that to a small degree Hornacek is losing some of the players, but I think part of this is that we have a weird collection of players who are developing some bad attitudes and bad habits.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:43 am
by Shabazz
carey wrote:ShelC wrote:The tech thing seems bush league. I like that Horny is trying something new and holding guys accountable, but you shouldn't risk the game to punish a guy. If anything, fine them $5,000 for every tech. Hit them where it hurts.
Pretty sure the CBA prevents teams from doing that.
Plus players are already fined by the league for each tech (escalating scale depending on how many Ts they have). And if they get suspended for 16 Ts, that hurts their pocketbook plenty.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:54 am
by In2ition
Shabazz wrote:carey wrote:ShelC wrote:The tech thing seems bush league. I like that Horny is trying something new and holding guys accountable, but you shouldn't risk the game to punish a guy. If anything, fine them $5,000 for every tech. Hit them where it hurts.
Pretty sure the CBA prevents teams from doing that.
Plus players are already fined by the league for each tech (escalating scale depending on how many Ts they have). And if they get suspended for 16 Ts, that hurts their pocketbook plenty.
It wasn't stopping them from getting the Ts though. I am not sure why the coach can't decide to not play them, I believe that he has that power.
DNP - Coaches Decision.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:00 pm
by Shabazz
In2ition wrote:Shabazz wrote:carey wrote:ShelC wrote:The tech thing seems bush league. I like that Horny is trying something new and holding guys accountable, but you shouldn't risk the game to punish a guy. If anything, fine them $5,000 for every tech. Hit them where it hurts.
Pretty sure the CBA prevents teams from doing that.
Plus players are already fined by the league for each tech (escalating scale depending on how many Ts they have). And if they get suspended for 16 Ts, that hurts their pocketbook plenty.
It wasn't stopping them from getting the Ts though. I am not sure why the coach can't decide to not play them, I believe that he has that power.
DNP - Coaches Decision.
He absolutely can decide that. At a certain point it becomes cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:25 pm
by Ring_Wanted
Indy wrote:Ring_Wanted wrote:Maybe it is a way to not losing the players. For better or worse, the coach and the players want to win and make the playoffs, so they have to find a way to make it work. There are already rumblings about moves, and there is already one guy basically out of the rotation because of a recent trade.
I don't know. Plumlee played 20 minutes last game. I am not sure BW is going to be healthy enough to give us 20 mpg the entire season.
Health is the key. If Wright can play, he is ahead of Plumlee until further notice.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:36 pm
by Shabazz
No Alex Len on Rising Stars roster:
https://twitter.com/johnschuhmann/status/560520928933994496
Maybe he makes it as an Olynyk replacement.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:01 pm
by carey
I'm sorry but that's fucking stupid.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:08 pm
by INFORMER
Len should have been chosen over Bogdanovic.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:12 pm
by carey
INFORMER wrote:Len should have been chosen over Bogdanovic.
Over every big guy on that list. There's not a one I would take over him right now. Damn the league is stupid sometimes.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:15 pm
by Indy
INFORMER wrote:Len should have been chosen over Bogdanovic.
But that would have put 5 centers on the list.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:38 pm
by ShelC
Honestly, Wiggins shouldn't be listed as an international player. Canadians don't count.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:54 pm
by Indy
Agreed. It should be NA vs the World or something like that.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:08 pm
by In2ition
It almost looks like the World Team list from the Nike Hoops Summit.
Len = Unknown/underrated
I still think it's weird that no one outside of Phoenix even knows anything about him or is aware of what he is doing.
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:15 pm
by Split T
Should let wiggins and Olynyk play for US roster, take two of lavine,pope, Or Burke off and add Len to international team
Re: Suns News: Week 14 1/26-2/1
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:33 pm
by INFORMER
carey wrote:INFORMER wrote:Len should have been chosen over Bogdanovic.
Over every big guy on that list. There's not a one I would take over him right now.
That's fine. We all have our preferences. But objectively speaking, Gobert was better than Len last year (light years better) and has been statistically superior to him this year.