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Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:36 pm
by SDC
INFORMER wrote:Sorry, but I am not the least bit upset or saddened that the Suns didn't land Cousins. I had zero interest in him.
who's your draft favorites for 2017?

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:50 pm
by SDC
what kind of players does boston need?

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:07 am
by Split T
Wow! My guess is we offered something like Len, Warren, and the two Miami picks. Kings said, "we want your 2017 pick instead". Suns said, "then you gotta take knight too."

Hard to believe all they could get was hield and a mid 1st. Decent chance the pelicans sneak into playoffs and that pick isn't even in the lotto. I guess they will get to keep their own pick now(if it fell outside the top 10 it went to Chicago) but if it gets too high, philly has the rights to swap picks.

I gotta say, this made the season very interesting. If they sneak into the 8th seed, Cousins and AD against the warriors will be fun.

I think this was the suns only play for a star. Not sure why Boston didn't get in on the trade, but they'll beat any offer we can make for butler or George if either truly are available. Let's just move Tucker, play the kids and get a top 3 pick and see what we've got next season.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:21 am
by Hermen
Haven't you guys heard? Hield is awesome, he rocks! Some say he's the next Stauskas!

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:51 am
by ShelC
I'm almost glad we didn't get Cousins. Not sure he's a guy you can win with.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:38 am
by Superbone
ShelC wrote:I'm almost glad we didn't get Cousins. Not sure he's a guy you can win with.
It would have made things interesting. That's for sure. But yeah, not so sure it would have been the right move. It will be interesting to see how the Pelicans fare with him and if they can keep him.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:41 am
by Ring_Wanted
Shabazz wrote:What a freaking win for the Pelicans. That's a scary front-line. And Casspi is a sneaky good fit alongside them.
Crazy that they even got to protect their pick. Amazing trade for the Pelis.

Funny how people on here scoff at Cousins, but I can't help but think had the Suns gotten him for that stupid package, everybody would be praising the move, if only because of its value.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 2:36 am
by Mori Chu
I would have done that deal any day, with or without Knight in it. I am bummed out that we weren't willing to give up what it took to get Boogie. He's probably a top-10 or top-12 player in the NBA, and guys like that almost never become available for such a small price. The whole reason you stockpile draft picks is to use them to acquire a top-flight player like that. Sure, sometimes you could draft a guy who will end up that good on your own, but that is extremely hard to do. We drafted a bunch of bigs: Len, Bender, and Chriss, and we'd be lucky if any of them turns out to be half as good as Cousins. That's three top-10 first-round picks that all didn't turn out as good as Boogie.

Really disappointed that we missed out here. Boogie would have been huge for this franchise.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:14 am
by ShelC
We don't know the conversations that took place, what our offers were, etc. We also know the Kings are highly dysfunctional and rarely make good moves, but this trade maybe illustrates what I've been trying to get across: Our assets/players aren't as valuable as we think they are. This was our chance to get the superstar and we were turned down. TJ the young talent, PJ the expiring contract, Tyson the veteran defensive big, Knight the starting PG who needs a new team, a bunch of picks....couldn't get it done. Again, it's the Kings but still.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:07 am
by SDC
ah, so it's boston/brooklyn's #1 pick for butler?

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6835948

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:36 am
by UglyTruth
I know some of you are all concerned about Cousins attitude and "winning" ability but your all gonna be proven wrong.

Davis and Cousins are gonna lead the Pelicans to top 4 seeds in the West for the next several years and then Cousins will finally get the props he get deserves.

This trade is worse than the Gasol/Kwame trade. It's worse than the Harden trade. It's worse than the CP3/Lakers trade. Can Silver please veto this?!

Trust me guys, all of us are gonna regret not trading for Cousins when his attitude suddenly improves in a winning atmosphere in New Orleans and we realize that he's the best superstar who has been traded in the last 4-5 years.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:49 am
by carey
UglyTruth wrote:Davis and Cousins are gonna lead the Pelicans to top 4 seeds in the West for the next several years and then Cousins will finally get the props he get deserves.
I'm not even convinced he'll re-sign in New Orleans. Cousins has one year on his deal after this season and said he will not extend. Then he basically gets to go anywhere he wants. Look for Phoenix to 100% clean the books for a run at him a year and change from now if we hold on to Bledsoe.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:21 am
by ShelC
I usually give guys the benefit of the doubt, but it's hard to find one person who's been in and around that organization who will vouch for Cousins. ZBo was mentioned previously as another headcase but he had a bad rap because of his "hoops family", which kept getting him in trouble. Cousins has legit maturity issues and I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Davis, who seems low key and pretty mature/professional, actually sours on him.

Guys as talented as Cousins always have teams willing to give him a chance and this will be one of them. We'll what happens. No one is questioning the talent, but I think you need a stable organization with strong leadership in the FO, on the bench and in the lockerroom. Not sure we (or the Pelicans) have that kind of leadership.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:29 am
by O_Gardino
Yo, Peeps. Maybe this was mentioned elsewhere, but I think it belongs here:
McD wrote:Tyler Ulis I think will play more minutes after the trade deadline.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /98064366/

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:40 am
by djy2j
Funny that Sac wanted Tyreke Evans over Brandon Knight. Funny as in we will have to pay someone to take on Knight at this point. This isn't funny anymore.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:42 am
by UglyTruth
carey wrote:
UglyTruth wrote:Davis and Cousins are gonna lead the Pelicans to top 4 seeds in the West for the next several years and then Cousins will finally get the props he get deserves.
I'm not even convinced he'll re-sign in New Orleans. Cousins has one year on his deal after this season and said he will not extend. Then he basically gets to go anywhere he wants. Look for Phoenix to 100% clean the books for a run at him a year and change from now if we hold on to Bledsoe.
He has to resign. Pelicans can now offer him the most money out of any team in the league. Pelicans are also the closest team to his hometown of Alabama.

And Davis is the best player he can ever play with.

He's gonna resign, even if the Pels miss playoffs this season, I'm sure he knows the potential of that team and how good it can be. If he was willing to resign with Sacramento like he repeatedly said, then I'm sure he would resign with New Orleans.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 6:56 am
by ShelC
The Kings know Tyreke and his deal is expiring. Knight has a lot of years left which is why there's not a lot of interest. And he also plays at the deepest position where other guys like Elfrid Payton, Reggie Jackson, Mudiay could be available in a trade. Derrick Rose is a FA in the offseason....I'm a big believer in addition by subtraction and if we have to take back role players on smaller/shorter deals to move him, so be it.

Tyson has more value but not much IMO. Move him while his value is high because he'll just be 35 heading into training camp next season.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:46 am
by carey
UglyTruth wrote:
He has to resign. Pelicans can now offer him the most money out of any team in the league. Pelicans are also the closest team to his hometown of Alabama.

And Davis is the best player he can ever play with.

He's gonna resign, even if the Pels miss playoffs this season, I'm sure he knows the potential of that team and how good it can be. If he was willing to resign with Sacramento like he repeatedly said, then I'm sure he would resign with New Orleans.
Because he changed teams he's no longer able to sign the DPVE, not to mention that Davis will get it. This is far from the certainty you're making it out to be.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:01 am
by UglyTruth
carey wrote:
UglyTruth wrote:
He has to resign. Pelicans can now offer him the most money out of any team in the league. Pelicans are also the closest team to his hometown of Alabama.

And Davis is the best player he can ever play with.

He's gonna resign, even if the Pels miss playoffs this season, I'm sure he knows the potential of that team and how good it can be. If he was willing to resign with Sacramento like he repeatedly said, then I'm sure he would resign with New Orleans.
Because he changed teams he's no longer able to sign the DPVE, not to mention that Davis will get it. This is far from the certainty you're making it out to be.
Sure but just like it was uncertain that CP3 would resign when the Clippers traded for him or that Love would resign when the Cavs traded for him. Nothing is obviously 100% but it's very, very unlikely.

Cousins has always wanted to play close to home because he does all kinds of foundations and such in his hometown. And to this day, the best player that Cousins has played with has been Rudy Gay and now he gets to play with Davis, so it's just very, very unlikely that he leaves just like it's very, very unlikely that KD leaves the Warriors when he opts out next summer.

Re: Suns Trading Deadline Speculation

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:08 am
by djy2j
From the verified Suns insider over at RealGM. FWIW:

Don’t be surprise if the Suns do end up trading Brandon Knight to Orlando for Jeff Green’s expiring contract. That would give them the flexibility this offseason to maybe make a play for Demarcus Cousins. According to Cousins people, he is NOT happy with this trade. He feels like he and Anthony Davis are the same player in a sense that they both need the ball in their hands to be effective. Of course that can changes once they play together.