Because you said he should be making Looney money. Which is so ridiculous I shouldn’t have even responded.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:22 pmLolololololol. You’re talking about someone making $7M annually vs a max guy.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:26 pmLet me know when Looney averages double figures in rebounding (or a double-double) in any season in his career.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:59 amKevon Looney?virtual9mm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:03 pmSurely not his best game but I don't care whom you are playing, 21 boards can't be as easily discounted as it has been here. Consistency will continue to be an issue.
Okay then let’s pay him Looney money.
Not exciting. Woop dee doo he grabbed 21 boards in a YMCA game where he’s easily the biggest and most athletic.
The fact he couldn’t assert himself offensively at all is pathetic.
Let me know when Ayton fails to average double figures in rebounding (or a double-double) in any season in his career.
Looney has never averaged double figures in scoring, either, and had a total of two double-doubles in the playoffs. But let's not let facts get in the way.
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"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.
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I guess you guys need to convince FF then. Because If what we need from him for the Suns is what FF admitted he provided for the Bahamas, then I don’t see where there’s a problem.Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:37 amYeah, not too worried about his offense. The defensive end is where he can make the biggest difference for us if he buys in to that.
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Hayter (you need to get the spelling and capitalization right ).Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:38 amThat doesn't seem to be allowed. That's where I am as well. But if you don't show all love, you are labeled as a hater.In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:24 amWhat if you're neither pro or a hayter? If you see the progress and the positives and also acknowledge the concerns.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 5:21 amQuite possible but I saw stuff in that first game that he's never tried in games before. Maybe he can't do it against better competition quite yet and maybe he's a year away from doing so. But even if that's the case, it's something.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:28 pmThe first game was different because the opposing roster was filled with guys who'd probably defect from their country if given the chance.
Evaluating him playing in the Drew League would've been better than that game against Cuba.
This Ayton discussion is getting pretty pointless. If you're pro (or ok with) Ayton, you're going to see signs of progress. If you're a Hayter, you're going to see the negatives. The only thing we all agree upon is that he is a plus if he puts in the effort, which we saw for a few games here. I'm not going to overreact to the ups and downs, he'll be inconsistent. The real question is how inconsistent.
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I'm with you gents.Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:38 amThat doesn't seem to be allowed. That's where I am as well. But if you don't show all love, you are labeled as a hater.In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:24 amWhat if you're neither pro or a hayter? If you see the progress and the positives and also acknowledge the concerns.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 5:21 amQuite possible but I saw stuff in that first game that he's never tried in games before. Maybe he can't do it against better competition quite yet and maybe he's a year away from doing so. But even if that's the case, it's something.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:28 pmThe first game was different because the opposing roster was filled with guys who'd probably defect from their country if given the chance.
Evaluating him playing in the Drew League would've been better than that game against Cuba.
This Ayton discussion is getting pretty pointless. If you're pro (or ok with) Ayton, you're going to see signs of progress. If you're a Hayter, you're going to see the negatives. The only thing we all agree upon is that he is a plus if he puts in the effort, which we saw for a few games here. I'm not going to overreact to the ups and downs, he'll be inconsistent. The real question is how inconsistent.
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LOL. You know I meant opponents, but OK.JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:14 amHmm. I guess Hield and Gordon will never sniff the NBA.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:15 pmHe was more efficient than a bunch of guys who'll never sniff the NBA. And Facundo Campazzo.
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I literally said the same thing like 6 pages ago. Maybe more, IDK, this discussion is a black hole. Yet somehow I'm sure you'd label me a hater for pointing out flaws in the superstar Ayton fairytale.JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 11:41 amI guess you guys need to convince FF then. Because If what we need from him for the Suns is what FF admitted he provided for the Bahamas, then I don’t see where there’s a problem.Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 8:37 amYeah, not too worried about his offense. The defensive end is where he can make the biggest difference for us if he buys in to that.
The problem isn't that he can't play the same role for the Suns, it's if he's willing to do it night in and out. We've seen for his entire career that extrapolating a 4 game sample with this guy is a fools errand.
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You're ignoring the fact that he did a much-improved job of not turning the ball over in those situations. Do you really want him trying to dribble through a double-team? How will it be "favorable" for the defense if he passes it out to Durant, Booker, Beal, or Gordon? If we dump the ball into Ayton and he's doubled and is able to find the open man, or even someone who swings it to the open man, we will be unstoppable.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:48 pm
- Still too easy to force into favorable decisions for the defense. For example, teams started crowding him on the catch to limit his jump shot and using a double team when he received a pass within 7-feet of the rim. I can't remember one time he dribble attacked in those situations after the Cuba game.
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None of this means anything.
In four years, you don’t have to vote again. We’ll have it fixed so good, you’re not gonna have to vote.
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specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:21 amAnd yet DA couldn’t flash any semblance of an offensive game against this competition. He is basically a taller Kurt Thomas on offense with less gutsShadowHawke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:02 amI remember a brief discussion about the summer league stats Bo Outlaw would put up when he played for the Suns.
Level of competition matters.
"couldn't flash any semblance of an offensive game"
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It means something for those who said that he has no heart, no competitive spirit, and doesn't even enjoy basketball and only does it because it's his job.
If that's the case, then why did he even play for the Bahamas?
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Was it much improved? I don't really recall him getting double teamed in the NBA because it's unnecessary. He's even willingly passed out of a mismatch numerous times. And yes, I would like to see him try to back down dribble into a smaller defender on a double team once in a while. Immediately passing the ball out is basically a win for the defense.JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:27 pmYou're ignoring the fact that he did a much-improved job of not turning the ball over in those situations. Do you really want him trying to dribble through a double-team? How will it be "favorable" for the defense if he passes it out to Durant, Booker, Beal, or Gordon? If we dump the ball into Ayton and he's doubled and is able to find the open man, or even someone who swings it to the open man, we will be unstoppable.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:48 pm
- Still too easy to force into favorable decisions for the defense. For example, teams started crowding him on the catch to limit his jump shot and using a double team when he received a pass within 7-feet of the rim. I can't remember one time he dribble attacked in those situations after the Cuba game.
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When he triple clutched all alone under the bucket, I gave up.JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:30 pmspecialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:21 amAnd yet DA couldn’t flash any semblance of an offensive game against this competition. He is basically a taller Kurt Thomas on offense with less gutsShadowHawke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:02 amI remember a brief discussion about the summer league stats Bo Outlaw would put up when he played for the Suns.
Level of competition matters.
"couldn't flash any semblance of an offensive game"
But hey, two points.
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Perhaps he was waiting to try to draw contact because he knew he could get an and-1. You know, like everyone has been wanting him to do.Cap wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:33 pmWhen he triple clutched all alone under the bucket, I gave up.JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:30 pmspecialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:21 amAnd yet DA couldn’t flash any semblance of an offensive game against this competition. He is basically a taller Kurt Thomas on offense with less gutsShadowHawke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:02 amI remember a brief discussion about the summer league stats Bo Outlaw would put up when he played for the Suns.
Level of competition matters.
"couldn't flash any semblance of an offensive game"
But hey, two points.
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There are millions of children around the world whose parents don't believe in them as much as you believe in Deandre Ayton.
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He got stripped of the ball maybe once the whole tournament, while being crowded more than he ever has been in his career (when rebounding the ball, catching the ball, being double- and triple-teamed, etc.). In those situations previously, he has turned the ball over more than we would like.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:32 pmWas it much improved? I don't really recall him getting double teamed in the NBA because it's unnecessary. He's even willingly passed out of a mismatch numerous times. And yes, I would like to see him try to back down dribble into a smaller defender on a double team once in a while. Immediately passing the ball out is basically a win for the defense.JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Aug 22, 2023 2:27 pmYou're ignoring the fact that he did a much-improved job of not turning the ball over in those situations. Do you really want him trying to dribble through a double-team? How will it be "favorable" for the defense if he passes it out to Durant, Booker, Beal, or Gordon? If we dump the ball into Ayton and he's doubled and is able to find the open man, or even someone who swings it to the open man, we will be unstoppable.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:48 pm
- Still too easy to force into favorable decisions for the defense. For example, teams started crowding him on the catch to limit his jump shot and using a double team when he received a pass within 7-feet of the rim. I can't remember one time he dribble attacked in those situations after the Cuba game.
And yes, he was doubled a lot last season, especially when Book and/or CP3 were injured for extended periods.
I don't see how that's a "win" if he has Durant, Booker, Beal, and Gordon on the floor with him, with one of them wide open. But ok.And yes, I would like to see him try to back down dribble into a smaller defender on a double team once in a while. Immediately passing the ball out is basically a win for the defense.
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Stop moving the goalposts.I don't see how that's a "win" if he has Durant, Booker, Beal, and Gordon on the floor with him, with one of them wide open. But ok.
IDK why I'm even engaging. Carry on, just try to keep it in your pants.
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Ayton playing against a bunch of 5' 5" players doesn't make the point that he's going to have a breakout season...jury is still out...does he raise his FTAs high enough so he's not in the bottom 25 of the top 100 attempts in the league...clock is ticking...
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Yep…. Basically Oompa Loompas out there…. But man could they hoop. Would they be hoompa loompas then?
My expectations have been tempered since his up and down play last year…. My predictions are he starts the season great but as soon as he doesn’t get enough credit he’ll backslide. If he can learn to play through the ebbs and flows and learn to play hard consistently is all I want from him.
My expectations have been tempered since his up and down play last year…. My predictions are he starts the season great but as soon as he doesn’t get enough credit he’ll backslide. If he can learn to play through the ebbs and flows and learn to play hard consistently is all I want from him.
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They need to treat him like he has the gas tank of a lawn mower. You need to constantly gas him up. Before the game, at every timeout, at halftime, at the start of the 4th quarter and afterwards. "Let's go dawg, you got this!" "You are showing them Dominayton tonight!" "You keep showing you are one of the badest dudes on the planet" ect...
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Great way to look at it… I like it.In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:01 amThey need to treat him like he has the gas tank of a lawn mower. You need to constantly gas him up. Before the game, at every timeout, at halftime, at the start of the 4th quarter and afterwards. "Let's go dawg, you got this!" "You are showing them Dominayton tonight!" "You keep showing you are one of the badest dudes on the planet" ect...