Prediction: Ayton will end up with a better career than Doncic.
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Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
Harden could average 3 ppg and 10 turnovers for the rest of his career and it would still shit on DA.
Get an All-Star bid first at least before you can even sniff any discussion like that
Prediction: Ayton will end up with a better career than Doncic.
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Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
It's not even about Doncic. It's about all the generational talent talk, walking around in a Suns jersey before even picked, the empty promises about turning it on and dominating, Ryan's asinine 1-on-none draft workout praise, the talking heads insisting it just had to be Ayton, blah blah blah.
Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
Harden could average 3 ppg and 10 turnovers for the rest of his career and it would still shit on DA.
Get an All-Star bid first at least before you can even sniff any discussion like that
Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
Harden could average 3 ppg and 10 turnovers for the rest of his career and it would still shit on DA.
Get an All-Star bid first at least before you can even sniff any discussion like that
Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
I can't think of an interpretation of JG's post that makes sense. Is Ayton better than Luka? No. Is he as good as Harden? No. Will his career turn out as good as either of those guys'? No. Will people suddenly like Ayton better if "Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0"? No. What way can this be interpreted where Ayton wins against either of those much better and much more accomplished players?
I can't think of an interpretation of JG's post that makes sense. Is Ayton better than Luka? No. Is he as good as Harden? No. Will his career turn out as good as either of those guys'? No. Will people suddenly like Ayton better if "Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0"? No. What way can this be interpreted where Ayton wins against either of those much better and much more accomplished players?
He’s saying at one point Ayton may be better than Doncic. Like if Doncic blows out both ACLs and tries to play through it, they would be equal in talent and impact at that point
I can't think of an interpretation of JG's post that makes sense. Is Ayton better than Luka? No. Is he as good as Harden? No. Will his career turn out as good as either of those guys'? No. Will people suddenly like Ayton better if "Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0"? No. What way can this be interpreted where Ayton wins against either of those much better and much more accomplished players?
I can't think of an interpretation of JG's post that makes sense. Is Ayton better than Luka? No. Is he as good as Harden? No. Will his career turn out as good as either of those guys'? No. Will people suddenly like Ayton better if "Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0"? No. What way can this be interpreted where Ayton wins against either of those much better and much more accomplished players?
Prediction: Ayton will end up with a better career than Doncic.
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Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
First, let's stop talking about Harden. There was no comparison of Ayton with Harden in that post.
"It's actually still very possible." = At the end of their careers, Ayton could still end up with the better career, which is what I predicted in the old post that was bumped. That possibility still exists because they have only played five seasons each.
"Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast." = Ayton could surpass Doncic's value in the league at some point in time if Doncic's value tanks.
The first scenario, and perhaps both scenarios, would require Ayton to improve and Doncic to drop off. I never said anything about Ayton's production staying the same.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.
I can't think of an interpretation of JG's post that makes sense. Is Ayton better than Luka? No. Is he as good as Harden? No. Will his career turn out as good as either of those guys'? No. Will people suddenly like Ayton better if "Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0"? No. What way can this be interpreted where Ayton wins against either of those much better and much more accomplished players?
Prediction: Ayton will end up with a better career than Doncic.
Loll
Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
First, let's stop talking about Harden. There was no comparison of Ayton with Harden in that post.
"It's actually still very possible." = At the end of their careers, Ayton could still end up with the better career, which is what I predicted in the old post that was bumped. That possibility still exists because they have only played five seasons each.
"Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast." = Ayton could surpass Doncic's value in the league at some point in time if Doncic's value tanks.
The first scenario, and perhaps both scenarios, would require Ayton to improve and Doncic to drop off. I never said anything about Ayton's production staying the same.
Sure, and there’s a possibility my balls touch the surface of Mars. If we’re just going to throw out dreams
I can't think of an interpretation of JG's post that makes sense. Is Ayton better than Luka? No. Is he as good as Harden? No. Will his career turn out as good as either of those guys'? No. Will people suddenly like Ayton better if "Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0"? No. What way can this be interpreted where Ayton wins against either of those much better and much more accomplished players?
Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
First, let's stop talking about Harden. There was no comparison of Ayton with Harden in that post.
"It's actually still very possible." = At the end of their careers, Ayton could still end up with the better career, which is what I predicted in the old post that was bumped. That possibility still exists because they have only played five seasons each.
"Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast." = Ayton could surpass Doncic's value in the league at some point in time if Doncic's value tanks.
The first scenario, and perhaps both scenarios, would require Ayton to improve and Doncic to drop off. I never said anything about Ayton's production staying the same.
Sure, and there’s a possibility my balls touch the surface of Mars. If we’re just going to throw out dreams
I can't think of an interpretation of JG's post that makes sense. Is Ayton better than Luka? No. Is he as good as Harden? No. Will his career turn out as good as either of those guys'? No. Will people suddenly like Ayton better if "Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0"? No. What way can this be interpreted where Ayton wins against either of those much better and much more accomplished players?
Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
First, let's stop talking about Harden. There was no comparison of Ayton with Harden in that post.
"It's actually still very possible." = At the end of their careers, Ayton could still end up with the better career, which is what I predicted in the old post that was bumped. That possibility still exists because they have only played five seasons each.
"Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast." = Ayton could surpass Doncic's value in the league at some point in time if Doncic's value tanks.
The first scenario, and perhaps both scenarios, would require Ayton to improve and Doncic to drop off. I never said anything about Ayton's production staying the same.
Sure, and there’s a possibility my balls touch the surface of Mars. If we’re just going to throw out dreams
Wait that’s a dream of yours? Okay, didn’t see that one coming.
I going to back Jeremy on this one. Whiley very unlikely Ayton ends up better, both players are still very young and have lots of careers ahead of them. Ayton can still figure it out and be a valuable player. Doncic, imo, is way overrated. He fills the box score and is talented, but I think he ends up more like Carmelo Anthony where is just isn't a winning player. Again, it's a small chance that Ayton ends up better.
I kinda think Luka is gonna win MVP this year. A lot of people are saying he’s in the best shape of his life(just had a great first game in the World Cup). We’ve reached the era where you don’t have to be on a good team to win MVP either. He’s gonna drop 33/11/11 and get Dallas the 6th seed and win MVP. But then probably lose in the 1st round.
I can't think of an interpretation of JG's post that makes sense. Is Ayton better than Luka? No. Is he as good as Harden? No. Will his career turn out as good as either of those guys'? No. Will people suddenly like Ayton better if "Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0"? No. What way can this be interpreted where Ayton wins against either of those much better and much more accomplished players?
Boy that aged well…. Lmao. No way Ayton touches Lukas value… ever.
It's actually still very possible. Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast.
First, let's stop talking about Harden. There was no comparison of Ayton with Harden in that post.
"It's actually still very possible." = At the end of their careers, Ayton could still end up with the better career, which is what I predicted in the old post that was bumped. That possibility still exists because they have only played five seasons each.
"Just wait until Doncic ends up like Harden 2.0...could be at a way younger age too. You forget about the NBA's rich history of megastars who just aren't winners and lose value fast." = Ayton could surpass Doncic's value in the league at some point in time if Doncic's value tanks.
The first scenario, and perhaps both scenarios, would require Ayton to improve and Doncic to drop off. I never said anything about Ayton's production staying the same.
Sure, and there’s a possibility my balls touch the surface of Mars. If we’re just going to throw out dreams
Wait that’s a dream of yours? Okay, didn’t see that one coming.
I going to back Jeremy on this one. Whiley very unlikely Ayton ends up better, both players are still very young and have lots of careers ahead of them. Ayton can still figure it out and be a valuable player. Doncic, imo, is way overrated. He fills the box score and is talented, but I think he ends up more like Carmelo Anthony where is just isn't a winning player. Again, it's a small chance that Ayton ends up better.
Remember when fans/media would shit on Booker just because it was the cool thing to do and Suns fans got all in their feelings about it, you guys are doing the same thing with Luka. There is no chance Ayton is ever in the same league as Luka. Absolutely delusional.
I would love if someone could find a historical example of two players this far apart in play after 5 years, where the lesser player ends up better at some point. I don’t think there will be any good examples that don’t include the better player having a major career altering injury.
I would love if someone could find a historical example of two players this far apart in play after 5 years, where the lesser player ends up better at some point. I don’t think there will be any good examples that don’t include the better player having a major career altering injury.
If there is an example, it probably involves Steve Nash. His first five seasons in the league he accomplished even less than DA has so far, but he eventually became a two-time MVP.
Antoine Walker, taken in the same draft, did a lot more than Nash in those first five years, but ultimately Nash had the better, more meaningful career.
Damon Stoudamire, taken a year earlier, was also far better than Nash through five years.
Player 1: 31/4/5 with 2.5 steals 42/32/81 splits for a .518 TS%. BPM of 6.1 and WS/48 of .190
Player 2: 16/3/7 with 1 steal. 49/41/90 splits for a
.603 TS%. BPM of 2.8 and WS/48 of .169
5 years later:
Player 1: 26/3/7 with 2 steals. 44/32/80 splits for a .540 TS%. BPM of 1.8 and WS/48 of .108
Player 2: 19/4/12 with 1 steal. 53/46/90 splits for a .654 TS%. BPM of 5.9 and WS/48 of .225
That gap isn’t nearly as big to me though. Player 2 was just underrated and we didn’t realize yet that his offensive efficiency was a major plus. Player 1 was MVP in that 5th year, player 2 won back to back MVPs in years 8 and 9, but year 10 was probably his best.
If you haven’t figured it out, Iverson is player 1 and Nash is player 2. But this also has to do with Nash being a late bloomer. Iverson was the 1st overall pick, just like Ayton. You could argue that Ayton started ahead of Luka(or was on the same level) and then fell way behind. But I do get that not being completely fair. Luka won MVP while Ayton was getting beat by a mid major school. McD just drafted the wrong guy 1st.
Still the point is Nash started way behind AI and caught up. Ayton started much closer to Luka and fell behind. I think there’s basically zero chance Ayton is ever better than Luka(without a major career altering injury).
Edit: Great minds Cap, I figured it’d have to be Nash as well
