He creates more issues than he solves if he's in the playoff rotation. He's just too old.3TheHardaway wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:42 pmCP3 once GSW doesn't guarantee his deal. No way they're going into next year with 30 million to CP3.
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It's their only way out unless KD asks for a trade.
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Suns had an offense built for Chris Paul but didn't have Chris Paul. Fuckin genius.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:27 pmWow. They sure had that ready to go.Wally_West wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:19 pmHmm. Interesting. Concerning.► Show SpoilerSpoiler: show/hide
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That's a overly simplistic to me. They tried to make implement the bench scheme from the Finals run as the primary set, but Saric was an actual shooting threat while Nurkic isn't at all.TOO wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:50 pmSuns had an offense built for Chris Paul but didn't have Chris Paul. Fuckin genius.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:27 pmWow. They sure had that ready to go.Wally_West wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:19 pmHmm. Interesting. Concerning.► Show SpoilerSpoiler: show/hide
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Ant really is a gem.
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That's fine too. But we have to find a good situation for Beal in order for him to sign off on it.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:40 pm$50M and he's coming off of the bench. I don't see it working.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:35 pmYeah, I think Beal will need to come off the bench. He can be sixth man.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:32 pmI still don't think they can insert a PG if they're planning to play them with Booker, Beal, and KD.
Maybe the turnovers will go down, but the rebounding and defense will almost certainly be much worse.
The easiest way to fix the roster is to move one of the three $50M guys for complementary players. Enough with stuff that looks good on paper, build a team.
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They need to play bigger. Split is right about KD playing small. They need a legit 4 next to him. To me the 1-2-3 should be Beal-Book-KD next to a solid 4 and 5 who are good defensively and not total zeros on the offensive end. Either they can shoot 3s or rim run and be a lob threat.
An Aaron Gordon type would be great. I have no idea who that can for be but that’s what I’d be shooting for on a starting 5. Maybe Bol can be that 4 next to Durant idk.
An Aaron Gordon type would be great. I have no idea who that can for be but that’s what I’d be shooting for on a starting 5. Maybe Bol can be that 4 next to Durant idk.
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Really? You want to continue to run without a true point guard?Wally_West wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:56 pmThey need to play bigger. Split is right about KD playing small. They need a legit 4 next to him. To me the 1-2-3 should be Beal-Book-KD next to a solid 4 and 5 who are good defensively and not total zeros on the offensive end. Either they can shoot 3s or rim run and be a lob threat.
An Aaron Gordon type would be great. I have no idea who that can for be but that’s what I’d be shooting for on a starting 5. Maybe Bol can be that 4 next to Durant idk.
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Re: Game Day - Playoff Edition - Game 4: Wolves (3-0) @ Suns (0-3), Sun 4/28/24
I feel for Beal tonight. He had a nightmare of a game and you could see the disappointment and frustration on his face. I hope he uses that as fuel to come back better next year and doesn't let it get in his head like Nick Anderson did many years ago.
Coach should be fired but I'm glad he tried playing some new guys tonight including Okogie and Little. But then he played Gordon a lot of ineffective minutes and didn't try Bol.
Book and KD had nice nights offensively but there really wasn't much offensive flow otherwise. Nurk had a stinker of a game and struggled most of the series. I'm not down on Nurkic but this was a bad matchup for him. Anybody saying or implying that a certain former center of ours would have been better, well, all I can say is that former center also struggled mightily against Gobert. So I don't think he would have been the answer.
We can't trade Book, we won't trade KD, and the Beal trade can't be done because he'll block it and no team would take him anyway. So we're stuck with those guys. The more I think about it, the more I think this team would be well served by bringing some of our current starters off the bench. Having Beal be our 6th man would be huge. That way we could go get an actual PG and not force a square peg into a round hole. And/or maybe we bring Grayson Allen off the bench and start O'Neale for defense. I just think we need better offensive/defensive balance on the floor.
Coach should be fired but I'm glad he tried playing some new guys tonight including Okogie and Little. But then he played Gordon a lot of ineffective minutes and didn't try Bol.
Book and KD had nice nights offensively but there really wasn't much offensive flow otherwise. Nurk had a stinker of a game and struggled most of the series. I'm not down on Nurkic but this was a bad matchup for him. Anybody saying or implying that a certain former center of ours would have been better, well, all I can say is that former center also struggled mightily against Gobert. So I don't think he would have been the answer.
We can't trade Book, we won't trade KD, and the Beal trade can't be done because he'll block it and no team would take him anyway. So we're stuck with those guys. The more I think about it, the more I think this team would be well served by bringing some of our current starters off the bench. Having Beal be our 6th man would be huge. That way we could go get an actual PG and not force a square peg into a round hole. And/or maybe we bring Grayson Allen off the bench and start O'Neale for defense. I just think we need better offensive/defensive balance on the floor.
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Re: Game Day - Playoff Edition - Game 4: Wolves (3-0) @ Suns (0-3), Sun 4/28/24
Orlando is the first place that stands out to me because it's not far from where he went to school in Gainesville. They have $42M in cap space coming up without desperately needing to re-sing anyone. The talent in the deal would likely look awful for the Suns on paper.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:54 pmThat's fine too. But we have to find a good situation for Beal in order for him to sign off on it.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:40 pm$50M and he's coming off of the bench. I don't see it working.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:35 pmYeah, I think Beal will need to come off the bench. He can be sixth man.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:32 pmI still don't think they can insert a PG if they're planning to play them with Booker, Beal, and KD.
Maybe the turnovers will go down, but the rebounding and defense will almost certainly be much worse.
The easiest way to fix the roster is to move one of the three $50M guys for complementary players. Enough with stuff that looks good on paper, build a team.
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The way CP was talking after the trade was makes me think the bridge is burnt between us.3TheHardaway wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:42 pmCP3 once GSW doesn't guarantee his deal. No way they're going into next year with 30 million to CP3.
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Re: Game Day - Playoff Edition - Game 4: Wolves (3-0) @ Suns (0-3), Sun 4/28/24
If that 4 was Draymond Green or Lebron, you could roll with Book-Beal-KD 1-3.
If the Suns do snag Bronny, I think that means Beal stays and we go all in banking on LeDad signing for the minimum.
More likely is Beal is traded for size, and we figure out a more traditional PG thereafter.
If the Suns do snag Bronny, I think that means Beal stays and we go all in banking on LeDad signing for the minimum.
More likely is Beal is traded for size, and we figure out a more traditional PG thereafter.
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This is when having a capable PG on the bench becomes viable. I think Wally's point is that this team needs to fix it's size/athleticism to improve their defense before anything else. It's about balancing the roster.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:57 pmReally? You want to continue to run without a true point guard?Wally_West wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:56 pmThey need to play bigger. Split is right about KD playing small. They need a legit 4 next to him. To me the 1-2-3 should be Beal-Book-KD next to a solid 4 and 5 who are good defensively and not total zeros on the offensive end. Either they can shoot 3s or rim run and be a lob threat.
An Aaron Gordon type would be great. I have no idea who that can for be but that’s what I’d be shooting for on a starting 5. Maybe Bol can be that 4 next to Durant idk.
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Not in the starting lineup. Beal isn’t going to the bench, thinking otherwise is silly, so that means starting a pg next to Beal and Book which makes us even smaller and even more vulnerable to teams with size.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:57 pmReally? You want to continue to run without a true point guard?Wally_West wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:56 pmThey need to play bigger. Split is right about KD playing small. They need a legit 4 next to him. To me the 1-2-3 should be Beal-Book-KD next to a solid 4 and 5 who are good defensively and not total zeros on the offensive end. Either they can shoot 3s or rim run and be a lob threat.
An Aaron Gordon type would be great. I have no idea who that can for be but that’s what I’d be shooting for on a starting 5. Maybe Bol can be that 4 next to Durant idk.
A back up PG on the bench, replacing the EG minutes and being able to start if Book or Beal is hurt would be ideal.
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Re: Game Day - Playoff Edition - Game 4: Wolves (3-0) @ Suns (0-3), Sun 4/28/24
BingoFlagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:02 pmThis is when having a capable PG on the bench becomes viable. I think Wally's point is that this team needs to fix it's size/athleticism to improve their defense before anything else. It's about balancing the roster.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:57 pmReally? You want to continue to run without a true point guard?Wally_West wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:56 pmThey need to play bigger. Split is right about KD playing small. They need a legit 4 next to him. To me the 1-2-3 should be Beal-Book-KD next to a solid 4 and 5 who are good defensively and not total zeros on the offensive end. Either they can shoot 3s or rim run and be a lob threat.
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Re: Game Day - Playoff Edition - Game 4: Wolves (3-0) @ Suns (0-3), Sun 4/28/24
Ngl Lebron would be great. Him as a pg on on this team would legit make us an offensive juggernaut. His defense has taken a big step back but he can play in spurts and lock in during big games. He just can’t do it over a full season.3TheHardaway wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:01 pmIf that 4 was Draymond Green or Lebron, you could roll with Book-Beal-KD 1-3.
If the Suns do snag Bronny, I think that means Beal stays and we go all in banking on LeDad signing for the minimum.
More likely is Beal is traded for size, and we figure out a more traditional PG thereafter.
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I wish we could trade Beal for Dejounte Murray and Clint Capela…that would help a lot. You could still start Grayson, but I’d also happily bring him off the bench if we could find an actual wing. Like what if you traded Nurk with a 1st for Dorian Finney-Smith?
Murray/Booker/KD/DFS/Capela
Allen/Bol off the bench…plus whatever vet min guys you can find.
Murray/Booker/KD/DFS/Capela
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No chance in hell Atlanta would make that deal because they could do much better than Bradley Beal for Murray and Capela.
And they should be skeptical of pairing Beal with Trae Young.
And they should be skeptical of pairing Beal with Trae Young.
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I brought up Orlando, so I could see something like Joe Ingles, Jett Howard and draft capital for Beal.
I have a hard time believing the Suns could directly turn Beal into the right pieces to fit the rotation. It's more likely they'd have to start by freeing up space and acquiring contracts to eventually bring in their targets.
Targets? Who the hell am I kidding? We don't really know who is even running player personnel at this point.
I have a hard time believing the Suns could directly turn Beal into the right pieces to fit the rotation. It's more likely they'd have to start by freeing up space and acquiring contracts to eventually bring in their targets.
Targets? Who the hell am I kidding? We don't really know who is even running player personnel at this point.
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I totally disagree on playing Little. Why on earth would you turn to a guy that hasn't played anything but garbage time minutes for months in the biggest game of the season. It made zero sense and was indicative of desperation.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 10:59 pmI feel for Beal tonight. He had a nightmare of a game and you could see the disappointment and frustration on his face. I hope he uses that as fuel to come back better next year and doesn't let it get in his head like Nick Anderson did many years ago.
Coach should be fired but I'm glad he tried playing some new guys tonight including Okogie and Little. But then he played Gordon a lot of ineffective minutes and didn't try Bol.
Book and KD had nice nights offensively but there really wasn't much offensive flow otherwise. Nurk had a stinker of a game and struggled most of the series. I'm not down on Nurkic but this was a bad matchup for him. Anybody saying or implying that a certain former center of ours would have been better, well, all I can say is that former center also struggled mightily against Gobert. So I don't think he would have been the answer.
We can't trade Book, we won't trade KD, and the Beal trade can't be done because he'll block it and no team would take him anyway. So we're stuck with those guys. The more I think about it, the more I think this team would be well served by bringing some of our current starters off the bench. Having Beal be our 6th man would be huge. That way we could go get an actual PG and not force a square peg into a round hole. And/or maybe we bring Grayson Allen off the bench and start O'Neale for defense. I just think we need better offensive/defensive balance on the floor.
Realistically we have to trade KD to have any chance of bringing back a serviceable PG/ rotation pieces. I don't see how we can go into next season with the 'big 3', Allen and a bunch of vet minimums and expect a different outcome.
Beal's not going anywhere so it has to be KD or Book. Personally I wouldn't be averse to trading either.
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