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2024 Suns General Offseason News
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Re: 2024 Suns General Offseason News
I think there’s a chance that either or both PG and harden leave after this season. Might be rebuild for them honestly. PG especially because Sixers could offer him a big deal with their cap space.
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Sixers will be interesting this summer. They’ve got like 90 million in cap space…of course Maxey is taking some of that, but PG would be nice for them.
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Vogel absolutely has to be fired after this disappointing playoffs and season as a whole.
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O RLY?
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Here ya go. My Photoshop skills are second to none, except maybe Michael Scott...The Bobster wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:05 pmFail Guy.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:32 pmHe's not the fall guy. He's the guy who failed tremendously at his job.
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Vogel has to go...he has lost this team, and showed zero intelligence on use of his roster or approach on the floor!! We will lose KD ugly unless decisive decisions are forthcoming, with good choices...at which point it's melt it down time
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Just looking at the James Jones's transactions since acquiring Chris Paul in 2020 and there's a not a whole lot of positive in there [significant transactions are bolded] -
Nov 2020 - Trades Ty Jerome, Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio and a draft pick for Chris Paul and Abdel Nader
Nov 2020 - Drafts Jalen Smith
Nov 2020 - Signs Jae Crowder
Nov 2020 - Signs Dario Saric
Nov 2020 - Trades cash for for Torrey Craig
Aug 2021 - Trades Jevon Carter for Landry Shamet
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Chris Paul
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Cam Payne
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Abdel Nader
Aug 2021 - Signs Frank Kaminsky
Aug 2021 - Signs Elfrid Payton
Aug 2021 - Signs JaVale McGee
Oct 2021 - Signs Ish Wainright
Jan 2022 - Signs Bismack Biyombo
Feb 2022 - Trades Jalen Smith for Torrey Craig
Feb 2022 - Trades cash for Aaron Holiday
Jul 2022 - Signs Damian Lee
Jul 2022 - Signs Josh Okogie
Jul 2022 - Re-signs Bismack Biyombo
Jul 2022 - Trades cash for Jock Landale
Jul 2022 - Re-signs Deandre Ayton
Aug 2022 - Signs Duane Washington Jr.
Aug 2022 - Re-signs Ish Wainright
Oct 2022 - Signs Saben Lee
DEC 2022 - MAT ISHBIA BUYS TEAM
Feb 2023 - Trades Dario Saric for Darius Bazley
Feb 2023 - Trades Jae Crowder, Mikal Bridges, Cameron Johnson, 3 first-round draft choices and 1 first-round pick swap for Kevin Durant and T.J. Warren
Feb 2023 - Signs Terrence Ross
May 2023 - Fires Monty Williams
Jun 2023 - Hires Frank Vogel
Jun 2023 - Drafts Toumani Camara
Jun 2023 - Trades Chris Paul, Landry Shamet and 4 first-round pick swaps for Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin and Isaiah Todd
Jul 2023 - Signs Chimezie Metu
Jul 2023 - Signs Yuta Watanabe
Jul 2023 - Signs Keita Bates-Diop
Jul 2023 - Signs Drew Eubanks
Jul 2023 - Signs Eric Gordon
Jul 2023 - Re-signs Damion Lee
Jul 2023 - Trades Isaiah Todd and first rounds swaps for 2 second-round picks
Jul 2023 - Re-signs Josh Okogie
Jul 2023 - Trades Cameron Payne, cash and a second-round pick for a second-round pick
Jul 2023 - Signs Bol Bol
Aug 2023 - Signs Udoka Azubuike
Sep 2023 - Trades Deandre Ayton and Toumani Camara for Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson
Feb 2024 - Trades Chimezie Metu, Yuta Watanabe, Keita Bates-Diop, Jordan Goodwin and a first-round draft swap and 3 second-round draft choices for Royce O'Neal and David Roddy
Feb 2024 - Signs Thaddeus Young
Mar 2024 - Signs Ish Wainright
Mar 2024 - Signs Isaiah Thomas
Nov 2020 - Trades Ty Jerome, Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio and a draft pick for Chris Paul and Abdel Nader
Nov 2020 - Drafts Jalen Smith
Nov 2020 - Signs Jae Crowder
Nov 2020 - Signs Dario Saric
Nov 2020 - Trades cash for for Torrey Craig
Aug 2021 - Trades Jevon Carter for Landry Shamet
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Chris Paul
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Cam Payne
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Abdel Nader
Aug 2021 - Signs Frank Kaminsky
Aug 2021 - Signs Elfrid Payton
Aug 2021 - Signs JaVale McGee
Oct 2021 - Signs Ish Wainright
Jan 2022 - Signs Bismack Biyombo
Feb 2022 - Trades Jalen Smith for Torrey Craig
Feb 2022 - Trades cash for Aaron Holiday
Jul 2022 - Signs Damian Lee
Jul 2022 - Signs Josh Okogie
Jul 2022 - Re-signs Bismack Biyombo
Jul 2022 - Trades cash for Jock Landale
Jul 2022 - Re-signs Deandre Ayton
Aug 2022 - Signs Duane Washington Jr.
Aug 2022 - Re-signs Ish Wainright
Oct 2022 - Signs Saben Lee
DEC 2022 - MAT ISHBIA BUYS TEAM
Feb 2023 - Trades Dario Saric for Darius Bazley
Feb 2023 - Trades Jae Crowder, Mikal Bridges, Cameron Johnson, 3 first-round draft choices and 1 first-round pick swap for Kevin Durant and T.J. Warren
Feb 2023 - Signs Terrence Ross
May 2023 - Fires Monty Williams
Jun 2023 - Hires Frank Vogel
Jun 2023 - Drafts Toumani Camara
Jun 2023 - Trades Chris Paul, Landry Shamet and 4 first-round pick swaps for Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin and Isaiah Todd
Jul 2023 - Signs Chimezie Metu
Jul 2023 - Signs Yuta Watanabe
Jul 2023 - Signs Keita Bates-Diop
Jul 2023 - Signs Drew Eubanks
Jul 2023 - Signs Eric Gordon
Jul 2023 - Re-signs Damion Lee
Jul 2023 - Trades Isaiah Todd and first rounds swaps for 2 second-round picks
Jul 2023 - Re-signs Josh Okogie
Jul 2023 - Trades Cameron Payne, cash and a second-round pick for a second-round pick
Jul 2023 - Signs Bol Bol
Aug 2023 - Signs Udoka Azubuike
Sep 2023 - Trades Deandre Ayton and Toumani Camara for Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson
Feb 2024 - Trades Chimezie Metu, Yuta Watanabe, Keita Bates-Diop, Jordan Goodwin and a first-round draft swap and 3 second-round draft choices for Royce O'Neal and David Roddy
Feb 2024 - Signs Thaddeus Young
Mar 2024 - Signs Ish Wainright
Mar 2024 - Signs Isaiah Thomas
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Re: 2024 Suns General Offseason News
It's like the franchise lost it's fucking brain the day they re-signed Ayton, because shit started rolling downhill pretty fast from that point on [Isbia's purchase of the team pretty closely coinsides with that].
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Re: 2024 Suns General Offseason News
Can we also as passing on Tyrese Halliburton in the draft(Nov 18, 2020) to this list.The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:44 amJust looking at the James Jones's transactions since acquiring Chris Paul in 2020 and there's a not a whole lot of positive in there [significant transactions are bolded] -
Nov 2020 - Trades Ty Jerome, Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio and a draft pick for Chris Paul and Abdel Nader
Nov 2020 - Drafts Jalen Smith
Nov 2020 - Signs Jae Crowder
Nov 2020 - Signs Dario Saric
Nov 2020 - Trades cash for for Torrey Craig
Aug 2021 - Trades Jevon Carter for Landry Shamet
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Chris Paul
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Cam Payne
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Abdel Nader
Aug 2021 - Signs Frank Kaminsky
Aug 2021 - Signs Elfrid Payton
Aug 2021 - Signs JaVale McGee
Oct 2021 - Signs Ish Wainright
Jan 2022 - Signs Bismack Biyombo
Feb 2022 - Trades Jalen Smith for Torrey Craig
Feb 2022 - Trades cash for Aaron Holiday
Jul 2022 - Signs Damian Lee
Jul 2022 - Signs Josh Okogie
Jul 2022 - Re-signs Bismack Biyombo
Jul 2022 - Trades cash for Jock Landale
Jul 2022 - Re-signs Deandre Ayton
Aug 2022 - Signs Duane Washington Jr.
Aug 2022 - Re-signs Ish Wainright
Oct 2022 - Signs Saben Lee
DEC 2022 - MAT ISHBIA BUYS TEAM
Feb 2023 - Trades Dario Saric for Darius Bazley
Feb 2023 - Trades Jae Crowder, Mikal Bridges, Cameron Johnson, 3 first-round draft choices and 1 first-round pick swap for Kevin Durant and T.J. Warren
Feb 2023 - Signs Terrence Ross
May 2023 - Fires Monty Williams
Jun 2023 - Hires Frank Vogel
Jun 2023 - Drafts Toumani Camara
Jun 2023 - Trades Chris Paul, Landry Shamet and 4 first-round pick swaps for Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin and Isaiah Todd
Jul 2023 - Signs Chimezie Metu
Jul 2023 - Signs Yuta Watanabe
Jul 2023 - Signs Keita Bates-Diop
Jul 2023 - Signs Drew Eubanks
Jul 2023 - Signs Eric Gordon
Jul 2023 - Re-signs Damion Lee
Jul 2023 - Trades Isaiah Todd and first rounds swaps for 2 second-round picks
Jul 2023 - Re-signs Josh Okogie
Jul 2023 - Trades Cameron Payne, cash and a second-round pick for a second-round pick
Jul 2023 - Signs Bol Bol
Aug 2023 - Signs Udoka Azubuike
Sep 2023 - Trades Deandre Ayton and Toumani Camara for Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson
Feb 2024 - Trades Chimezie Metu, Yuta Watanabe, Keita Bates-Diop, Jordan Goodwin and a first-round draft swap and 3 second-round draft choices for Royce O'Neal and David Roddy
Feb 2024 - Signs Thaddeus Young
Mar 2024 - Signs Ish Wainright
Mar 2024 - Signs Isaiah Thomas
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Re: 2024 Suns General Offseason News
They weren't the only ones to make that mistake. He and Edwards should have gone 1 & 2 in hindsight.
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Re: 2024 Suns General Offseason News
I think there's plenty of good stuff there, most notably putting the '20-21 team together by getting CP3 and Jae Crowder. But then it's coupled with the travesty of drafting Stix over Haliburton.The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:44 amJust looking at the James Jones's transactions since acquiring Chris Paul in 2020 and there's a not a whole lot of positive in there [significant transactions are bolded] -
Most of the worst of the last few years of GMing comes when we hit the KD trade. That's when we begin to mortgage a decade of our team's future for magic beans and give away everyone who had a connection to this franchise. And I don't blame that on James Jones; it is well known that he didn't want to make the KD trade as proposed, but Ishbia overruled him to do it.
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It was a position of need and we still passed on him. It blows my mind that guys get paid to do this for a living and still fuck up that bad.SunsRIt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:19 amCan we also as passing on Tyrese Halliburton in the draft(Nov 18, 2020) to this list.The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:44 amJust looking at the James Jones's transactions since acquiring Chris Paul in 2020 and there's a not a whole lot of positive in there [significant transactions are bolded] -
Nov 2020 - Trades Ty Jerome, Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio and a draft pick for Chris Paul and Abdel Nader
Nov 2020 - Drafts Jalen Smith
Nov 2020 - Signs Jae Crowder
Nov 2020 - Signs Dario Saric
Nov 2020 - Trades cash for for Torrey Craig
Aug 2021 - Trades Jevon Carter for Landry Shamet
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Chris Paul
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Cam Payne
Aug 2021 - Re-signs Abdel Nader
Aug 2021 - Signs Frank Kaminsky
Aug 2021 - Signs Elfrid Payton
Aug 2021 - Signs JaVale McGee
Oct 2021 - Signs Ish Wainright
Jan 2022 - Signs Bismack Biyombo
Feb 2022 - Trades Jalen Smith for Torrey Craig
Feb 2022 - Trades cash for Aaron Holiday
Jul 2022 - Signs Damian Lee
Jul 2022 - Signs Josh Okogie
Jul 2022 - Re-signs Bismack Biyombo
Jul 2022 - Trades cash for Jock Landale
Jul 2022 - Re-signs Deandre Ayton
Aug 2022 - Signs Duane Washington Jr.
Aug 2022 - Re-signs Ish Wainright
Oct 2022 - Signs Saben Lee
DEC 2022 - MAT ISHBIA BUYS TEAM
Feb 2023 - Trades Dario Saric for Darius Bazley
Feb 2023 - Trades Jae Crowder, Mikal Bridges, Cameron Johnson, 3 first-round draft choices and 1 first-round pick swap for Kevin Durant and T.J. Warren
Feb 2023 - Signs Terrence Ross
May 2023 - Fires Monty Williams
Jun 2023 - Hires Frank Vogel
Jun 2023 - Drafts Toumani Camara
Jun 2023 - Trades Chris Paul, Landry Shamet and 4 first-round pick swaps for Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin and Isaiah Todd
Jul 2023 - Signs Chimezie Metu
Jul 2023 - Signs Yuta Watanabe
Jul 2023 - Signs Keita Bates-Diop
Jul 2023 - Signs Drew Eubanks
Jul 2023 - Signs Eric Gordon
Jul 2023 - Re-signs Damion Lee
Jul 2023 - Trades Isaiah Todd and first rounds swaps for 2 second-round picks
Jul 2023 - Re-signs Josh Okogie
Jul 2023 - Trades Cameron Payne, cash and a second-round pick for a second-round pick
Jul 2023 - Signs Bol Bol
Aug 2023 - Signs Udoka Azubuike
Sep 2023 - Trades Deandre Ayton and Toumani Camara for Jusuf Nurkic, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little and Keon Johnson
Feb 2024 - Trades Chimezie Metu, Yuta Watanabe, Keita Bates-Diop, Jordan Goodwin and a first-round draft swap and 3 second-round draft choices for Royce O'Neal and David Roddy
Feb 2024 - Signs Thaddeus Young
Mar 2024 - Signs Ish Wainright
Mar 2024 - Signs Isaiah Thomas
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Re: 2024 Suns General Offseason News
Look, a lot of us thought Yuta and KBD and Eubanks and perhaps Little were significant bench upgrades from years prior. It still boggles the mind that they didn’t pan out. It might be coaching and lack of essential PG that couldn’t integrate other players. I just hope there is some GM or head coach candidate who is licking their chops to fix this.The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:49 amIt's like the franchise lost it's fucking brain the day they re-signed Ayton, because shit started rolling downhill pretty fast from that point on [Isbia's purchase of the team pretty closely coinsides with that].
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Fuck Stephen A, and fuck fake news like this.
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Knicks fans have been talking about Book since Rose took over. Stephen A is just piggybacking off that and telling the fans what they want to hear. if we don't get it right soon tho, this will only get louder; the Knicks have the work team we used to have and coach who lives on preparation and details. Everything fits Book perfectly. I would try and rope-a-dope the Knicks and see if they'd take KD for Randle.
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I don't think I would do KD for Randle. Randle is a worse player, and it would make Book mad, so I think it'd be a step back for us. I would only want to trade KD if we got a much younger star with potential, and/or a bunch of picks. Preferably the latter.ShelC wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:25 amKnicks fans have been talking about Book since Rose took over. Stephen A is just piggybacking off that and telling the fans what they want to hear. if we don't get it right soon tho, this will only get louder; the Knicks have the work team we used to have and coach who lives on preparation and details. Everything fits Book perfectly. I would try and rope-a-dope the Knicks and see if they'd take KD for Randle.
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KD for Randle is not something I would do. Now KD for Brunson I would do. I know you're not supposed to trade a big for a small but I'd do that. Little dude is a winner and would pair nicely with Book.
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