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Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:53 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:52 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:33 pm

He did make every single shot

He sure did. I just watched some of his highlights and he does that with his 3s, but obviously much faster in a game. Not nearly as noticeable when he is playing full speed.

Good to know. I was wondering if game speed was quite a bit different.

Democritus wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:52 pm

https://twitter.com/maxmcc11/status/1011349978491510784

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:28 pm

It is incredible that Ryan and posters here made the same justifications about the Lakers pick, and that proved to be wrong. So wrong. And yet, here we are again doing the same thing.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:16 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:28 pm

It is incredible that Ryan and posters here made the same justifications about the Lakers pick, and that proved to be wrong. So wrong. And yet, here we are again doing the same thing.

Wait...you can't have it both ways. Bridges is the Lakers pick (#10). So you're saying that Bridges is a great player?

Everyone seems to be forgetting that we traded the two Miami picks (#16 and 2021) to get back the Lakers pick (#10). So essentially we traded Dragic for Knight. Not bad in my opinion, considering Dragic wanted out. (Although perhaps Knight was not needed at the time, since we still had Bledsoe.)

In fact, I remember being a little upset at the time because it seemed like the Miami picks were so far in the future and the Lakers pick could be a great pick really soon. Instead, the Lakers pick did not convey until 2018 and we got it back for the Miami picks, so I'm very happy with how it all turned out. Let's see how Knight plays this year.

At least we finally got the better of two brothers (Bridges).

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:16 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:28 pm

It is incredible that Ryan and posters here made the same justifications about the Lakers pick, and that proved to be wrong. So wrong. And yet, here we are again doing the same thing.

Wait...you can't have it both ways. Bridges is the Lakers pick (#10). So you're saying that Bridges is a great player?

Everyone seems to be forgetting that we traded the two Miami picks (#16 and 2021) to get back the Lakers pick (#10). So essentially we traded Dragic for Knight. Not bad in my opinion, considering Dragic wanted out. (Although perhaps Knight was not needed at the time, since we still had Bledsoe.)

In fact, I remember being a little upset at the time because it seemed like the Miami picks were so far in the future and the Lakers pick could be a great pick really soon. Instead, the Lakers pick did not convey until 2018 and we got it back for the Miami picks, so I'm very happy with how it all turned out. Let's see how Knight plays this year.

At least we finally got the better of two brothers (Bridges).

Not the case. The #10 pick we got for trading Nash. We then got two more for trading Dragic. We turned those 3 first round picks into Bridges and Knight. Knight, the guy that has been one of the worst players in the league since getting here. It was not Dragic for Knight.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:16 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:28 pm

It is incredible that Ryan and posters here made the same justifications about the Lakers pick, and that proved to be wrong. So wrong. And yet, here we are again doing the same thing.

Wait...you can't have it both ways. Bridges is the Lakers pick (#10). So you're saying that Bridges is a great player?

Everyone seems to be forgetting that we traded the two Miami picks (#16 and 2021) to get back the Lakers pick (#10). So essentially we traded Dragic for Knight. Not bad in my opinion, considering Dragic wanted out. (Although perhaps Knight was not needed at the time, since we still had Bledsoe.)

In fact, I remember being a little upset at the time because it seemed like the Miami picks were so far in the future and the Lakers pick could be a great pick really soon. Instead, the Lakers pick did not convey until 2018 and we got it back for the Miami picks, so I'm very happy with how it all turned out. Let's see how Knight plays this year.

At least we finally got the better of two brothers (Bridges).

Not the case. The #10 pick we got for trading Nash. We then got two more for trading Dragic. We turned those 3 first round picks into Bridges and Knight. Knight, the guy that has been one of the worst players in the league since getting here. It was not Dragic for Knight.

My point was that as it turned out the picks canceled each other out. It's as if we never got the Miami picks and never traded the Lakers pick. Thus, it was Dragic for Knight.

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 pm

My point was that as it turned out the picks canceled each other out. It's as if we never got the Miami picks and never traded the Lakers pick. Thus, it was Dragic for Knight.

Dragic into Knight is bad. And Miami overpayed for Dragic. One step forward two steps back.

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:53 pm

Good to know. I was wondering if game speed was quite a bit different.

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:16 pm

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 pm

My point was that as it turned out the picks canceled each other out. It's as if we never got the Miami picks and never traded the Lakers pick. Thus, it was Dragic for Knight.

Dragic into Knight is bad. And Miami overpayed for Dragic. One step forward two steps back.

Dragic wanted out. There was no way to keep him at that point.

carey wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:43 pm

Superbone wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:53 pm

Good to know. I was wondering if game speed was quite a bit different.

I assume he's getting adjusted to the NBA 3-point line and working on it at a slower speed.

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:44 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:16 pm

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 pm

My point was that as it turned out the picks canceled each other out. It's as if we never got the Miami picks and never traded the Lakers pick. Thus, it was Dragic for Knight.

Dragic into Knight is bad. And Miami overpayed for Dragic. One step forward two steps back.

Dragic wanted out. There was no way to keep him at that point.

As I said, McD did a great job on the Dragic trade.

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:47 pm

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:44 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:16 pm

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 pm

My point was that as it turned out the picks canceled each other out. It's as if we never got the Miami picks and never traded the Lakers pick. Thus, it was Dragic for Knight.

Dragic into Knight is bad. And Miami overpayed for Dragic. One step forward two steps back.

Dragic wanted out. There was no way to keep him at that point.

As I said, McD did a great job on the Dragic trade.

Agreed. It is probably the only trade he won. Sigh.

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:16 pm

INFORMER wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 24, 2018 7:28 pm

It is incredible that Ryan and posters here made the same justifications about the Lakers pick, and that proved to be wrong. So wrong. And yet, here we are again doing the same thing.

Wait...you can't have it both ways. Bridges is the Lakers pick (#10). So you're saying that Bridges is a great player?

Everyone seems to be forgetting that we traded the two Miami picks (#16 and 2021) to get back the Lakers pick (#10). So essentially we traded Dragic for Knight. Not bad in my opinion, considering Dragic wanted out. (Although perhaps Knight was not needed at the time, since we still had Bledsoe.)

In fact, I remember being a little upset at the time because it seemed like the Miami picks were so far in the future and the Lakers pick could be a great pick really soon. Instead, the Lakers pick did not convey until 2018 and we got it back for the Miami picks, so I'm very happy with how it all turned out. Let's see how Knight plays this year.

At least we finally got the better of two brothers (Bridges).

Not the case. The #10 pick we got for trading Nash. We then got two more for trading Dragic. We turned those 3 first round picks into Bridges and Knight. Knight, the guy that has been one of the worst players in the league since getting here. It was not Dragic for Knight.

My point was that as it turned out the picks canceled each other out. It's as if we never got the Miami picks and never traded the Lakers pick. Thus, it was Dragic for Knight.

Dragic into Knight is bad. And Miami overpayed for Dragic. One step forward two steps back.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:04 pm

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:16 pm

Wait...you can't have it both ways. Bridges is the Lakers pick (#10). So you're saying that Bridges is a great player?

Everyone seems to be forgetting that we traded the two Miami picks (#16 and 2021) to get back the Lakers pick (#10). So essentially we traded Dragic for Knight. Not bad in my opinion, considering Dragic wanted out. (Although perhaps Knight was not needed at the time, since we still had Bledsoe.)

In fact, I remember being a little upset at the time because it seemed like the Miami picks were so far in the future and the Lakers pick could be a great pick really soon. Instead, the Lakers pick did not convey until 2018 and we got it back for the Miami picks, so I'm very happy with how it all turned out. Let's see how Knight plays this year.

At least we finally got the better of two brothers (Bridges).

Not the case. The #10 pick we got for trading Nash. We then got two more for trading Dragic. We turned those 3 first round picks into Bridges and Knight. Knight, the guy that has been one of the worst players in the league since getting here. It was not Dragic for Knight.

My point was that as it turned out the picks canceled each other out. It's as if we never got the Miami picks and never traded the Lakers pick. Thus, it was Dragic for Knight.

Dragic into Knight is bad. And Miami overpayed for Dragic. One step forward two steps back.

So if we get the better end of the deal, it's not a credit to our GM- the other team overpaid.

If we get the losing end of the deal, our GM sucks!

Got it, phx-suns is alive and well.

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:14 pm

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:04 pm

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:56 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:03 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:56 pm

Not the case. The #10 pick we got for trading Nash. We then got two more for trading Dragic. We turned those 3 first round picks into Bridges and Knight. Knight, the guy that has been one of the worst players in the league since getting here. It was not Dragic for Knight.

My point was that as it turned out the picks canceled each other out. It's as if we never got the Miami picks and never traded the Lakers pick. Thus, it was Dragic for Knight.

Dragic into Knight is bad. And Miami overpayed for Dragic. One step forward two steps back.

So if we get the better end of the deal, it's not a credit to our GM- the other team overpaid.

If we get the losing end of the deal, our GM sucks!

Got it, phx-suns is alive and well.

Or, the fact that Miami overpayed means our GM did a good job? Which I believe I always said in regards to this trade, including a couple of posts ago. Even in the post you quoted, that's the "one step forward" part.

Split T wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:52 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:47 pm

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:44 pm

JeremyG wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:16 pm

Hermen wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:56 pm

Dragic into Knight is bad. And Miami overpayed for Dragic. One step forward two steps back.

Dragic wanted out. There was no way to keep him at that point.

As I said, McD did a great job on the Dragic trade.

Agreed. It is probably the only trade he won. Sigh.

Don't really think that's true.

Getting Bledsoe for Dudley was very good value.

Getting Plumlee, Gerald Green and a 1st for scola was another great trade.

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Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:16 am

Cap wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:06 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:57 am

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Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:02 am

Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:49 pm

I truly believe McD's has gambled his job with this move. After the LAL pick, you can't keep supporting him if this move doesn't workout starting this very season.

If Bridges is nothing special, it was a bad trade. McD presumably made the deal because he was confident in his evaluation of Bridges and what he can contribute to this team. If he’s wrong, yeah, it looks bad for him.

Or because he knows if he doesn't win now, he won't have a job to use that 2021 pick. Desperation might have won out over talent evaluation and what 2021 may bring.

He went for a rookie whose position is not a particular need. If it were the kind of desperation you describe, wouldn’t he have used the assets for a vet?

I dont think so, because McD's pitch is about potential, not current performance. If the pieces suck this year, thats because they are so young that they are supposed to--think about what they could BE (in a couple of years). That one idea has allowed him to keep his job while creating the league's worst team for the past 3 years. Going with a veteran undermines the whole argument, because not only does the team suck, but the player is not likely to get better.

Cap wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:39 pm

jonh wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:16 am

Cap wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:06 am

Indy wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:57 am

Cap wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:02 am

If Bridges is nothing special, it was a bad trade. McD presumably made the deal because he was confident in his evaluation of Bridges and what he can contribute to this team. If he’s wrong, yeah, it looks bad for him.

Or because he knows if he doesn't win now, he won't have a job to use that 2021 pick. Desperation might have won out over talent evaluation and what 2021 may bring.

He went for a rookie whose position is not a particular need. If it were the kind of desperation you describe, wouldn’t he have used the assets for a vet?

I dont think so, because McD's pitch is about potential, not current performance. If the pieces suck this year, thats because they are so young that they are supposed to--think about what they could BE (in a couple of years). That one idea has allowed him to keep his job while creating the league's worst team for the past 3 years. Going with a veteran undermines the whole argument, because not only does the team suck, but the player is not likely to get better.

Doesn’t knowingly creating a logjam suggest there’s more to it than that? His pitch isn’t going to be helped by trading two picks for a guy who ends up stuck on the bench behind JJ and Warren. He’s got to be counting on Bridges to be a real contributor.

And I hope he has a good plan to relieve the logjam.