Thanks for sharing. Interesting that Ntilikina is also on that list.Cap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:32 pmWorst individual seasons of the past 50 years, by WS:specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:15 pmheh. Did you read the article? He’s statistically one of the WORST players in the league. Not bad, one of thethe worst. It’s hard to argue with that.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 amDude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 amLOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.
I’m not worried about a popularity contest. Dude is out there playing with 2 IQ making bad decisions at every turn on both ends of the court with no signs of improvement in decision making, and he makes one three pointer and it’s as if he’s “figuring it out.”
I get it Bone. You’re an eternal optimist. You probably didn’t want to give up on Chriss, Len, Goodwin, Bender. You probably liked Mike James, saw value in most of our trash that we’ve taken way too long to dump. But you can’t sell a turd as a legit prospect. He’s not bad. He’s historically bad.Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original TableCode: Select all
Tota Per Shoo Rk Player Season Age Tm Lg WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS% 1 Fred Hilton 1971-72 24 BUF NBA -2.1 61 22.1 5.1 13.0 5.1 13.0 1.5 2.0 2.6 1.9 2.4 11.6 .389 .389 .389 .738 .417 2 Emmanuel Mudiay 2015-16 19 DEN NBA -2.1 68 66 30.4 4.8 13.3 3.8 9.9 1.1 3.4 2.1 3.1 0.5 2.9 3.4 5.5 1.0 0.5 3.2 2.1 12.8 .364 .379 .319 .404 .670 .437 3 Jim Jackson 1992-93 22 DAL NBA -1.6 28 28 33.5 6.6 16.6 5.8 14.0 0.8 2.6 2.4 3.3 1.5 2.9 4.4 4.7 1.4 0.4 4.1 2.9 16.3 .395 .415 .288 .417 .739 .451 4 Kenny McIntosh 1972-73 24 TOT NBA -1.6 59 19.3 1.9 5.8 1.9 5.8 0.7 1.1 3.9 0.9 1.7 4.6 .337 .337 .337 .597 .364 5 Sharone Wright 1996-97 24 TOR NBA -1.6 60 28 16.8 2.7 6.7 2.7 6.7 0.0 0.0 1.1 2.2 1.3 1.8 3.1 0.5 0.3 0.8 1.6 2.4 6.5 .400 .400 .000 .400 .511 .423 6 M****** B****** 2012-13 24 PHO NBA -1.5 75 20 20.7 4.1 10.2 3.5 8.3 0.6 1.9 1.3 1.7 0.7 3.1 3.8 1.5 0.4 0.5 1.9 1.4 10.1 .405 .426 .313 .434 .746 .462 7 Josh Jackson 2018-19 21 PHO NBA -1.5 71 25 24.2 4.2 10.2 3.4 7.6 0.8 2.7 1.8 2.7 0.9 3.3 4.1 2.3 0.9 0.7 2.2 2.5 11.0 .410 .443 .317 .452 .674 .484 8 Adam Morrison 2006-07 22 CHA NBA -1.5 78 23 29.8 4.6 12.1 3.4 8.8 1.1 3.3 1.5 2.2 0.7 2.3 2.9 2.1 0.4 0.1 1.7 2.3 11.8 .376 .391 .337 .422 .710 .450 9 Winford Boynes 1980-81 23 DAL NBA -1.4 44 17.2 2.8 7.1 2.8 7.1 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.3 0.5 1.2 1.7 0.8 0.5 0.4 1.6 1.8 6.5 .387 .387 .387 .818 .426 10 Art Harris 1969-70 23 TOT NBA -1.4 81 19.2 3.5 8.9 3.5 8.9 1.1 1.7 2.0 2.9 2.7 8.1 .394 .394 .394 .642 .419
Generated 3/18/2019.
Worst careers, same period:
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Tota Per Shoo Rk Player From To Tm Lg WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS% 1 Fred Hilton 1972 1973 BUF NBA -3.5 120 17.3 4.2 10.7 4.2 10.7 1.1 1.5 2.1 1.6 2.0 9.4 .388 .388 .388 .749 .414 2 Lancaster Gordon 1985 1988 LAC NBA -2.7 201 6 12.8 2.3 6.0 2.2 5.6 0.1 0.4 0.8 1.0 0.6 0.7 1.3 1.5 0.6 0.2 1.2 1.3 5.6 .391 .400 .271 .400 .767 .433 3 Josh Jackson 2018 2019 PHO NBA -2.3 148 60 24.8 4.6 11.2 3.9 8.5 0.8 2.7 2.1 3.2 1.1 3.3 4.4 1.9 1.0 0.6 2.1 2.7 12.1 .414 .455 .288 .450 .650 .482 4 Bird Averitt 1977 1978 TOT NBA -1.8 130 17.1 3.3 8.5 3.3 8.5 1.7 2.4 0.3 1.0 1.2 2.5 0.5 0.1 2.6 1.9 8.3 .392 .392 .392 .713 .438 5 Frank Ntilikina 2018 2019 NYK NBA -1.7 119 25 21.7 2.3 6.5 1.6 4.3 0.7 2.2 0.6 0.8 0.4 1.8 2.2 3.1 0.8 0.3 1.6 2.4 5.9 .356 .382 .307 .409 .729 .431 6 Mardy Collins 2007 2010 TOT NBA -1.6 189 31 14.7 1.6 4.1 1.4 3.4 0.2 0.7 0.6 1.0 0.5 1.3 1.8 1.7 0.6 0.1 1.1 1.4 3.9 .380 .396 .299 .405 .599 .431 7 Rodrick Rhodes 1998 2000 TOT NBA -1.6 72 14 17.1 1.7 5.0 1.7 4.8 0.0 0.2 1.8 2.8 0.5 0.7 1.2 1.7 1.0 0.2 1.7 2.0 5.3 .347 .354 .200 .351 .620 .422 8 Nikoloz Tskitishvili 2003 2006 TOT NBA -1.6 172 16 11.3 1.1 3.6 0.9 2.6 0.3 1.1 0.5 0.7 0.6 1.2 1.8 0.7 0.3 0.3 0.7 1.3 2.9 .304 .332 .235 .338 .730 .375 9 Kenny McIntosh 1972 1975 TOT NBA -1.5 177 20.9 2.3 6.3 2.3 6.3 0.7 1.3 1.6 3.5 3.9 1.0 0.7 0.4 1.9 5.3 .361 .361 .361 .581 .386 10 Gary Zeller 1971 1972 BAL NBA -1.5 78 8.9 1.5 4.4 1.5 4.4 0.5 0.8 1.2 0.5 1.3 3.5 .340 .340 .340 .587 .365
Generated 3/18/2019.
Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
What history tells us is that when a young player named J. Jackson has a season of -1.6 WS, he goes on to have an okay career.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:04 pmThanks for sharing. Interesting that Ntilikina is also on that list.Cap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:32 pmWorst individual seasons of the past 50 years, by WS:specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:15 pmheh. Did you read the article? He’s statistically one of the WORST players in the league. Not bad, one of thethe worst. It’s hard to argue with that.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 amDude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 am
LOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.
I’m not worried about a popularity contest. Dude is out there playing with 2 IQ making bad decisions at every turn on both ends of the court with no signs of improvement in decision making, and he makes one three pointer and it’s as if he’s “figuring it out.”
I get it Bone. You’re an eternal optimist. You probably didn’t want to give up on Chriss, Len, Goodwin, Bender. You probably liked Mike James, saw value in most of our trash that we’ve taken way too long to dump. But you can’t sell a turd as a legit prospect. He’s not bad. He’s historically bad.Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original TableCode: Select all
Tota Per Shoo Rk Player Season Age Tm Lg WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS% 1 Fred Hilton 1971-72 24 BUF NBA -2.1 61 22.1 5.1 13.0 5.1 13.0 1.5 2.0 2.6 1.9 2.4 11.6 .389 .389 .389 .738 .417 2 Emmanuel Mudiay 2015-16 19 DEN NBA -2.1 68 66 30.4 4.8 13.3 3.8 9.9 1.1 3.4 2.1 3.1 0.5 2.9 3.4 5.5 1.0 0.5 3.2 2.1 12.8 .364 .379 .319 .404 .670 .437 3 Jim Jackson 1992-93 22 DAL NBA -1.6 28 28 33.5 6.6 16.6 5.8 14.0 0.8 2.6 2.4 3.3 1.5 2.9 4.4 4.7 1.4 0.4 4.1 2.9 16.3 .395 .415 .288 .417 .739 .451 4 Kenny McIntosh 1972-73 24 TOT NBA -1.6 59 19.3 1.9 5.8 1.9 5.8 0.7 1.1 3.9 0.9 1.7 4.6 .337 .337 .337 .597 .364 5 Sharone Wright 1996-97 24 TOR NBA -1.6 60 28 16.8 2.7 6.7 2.7 6.7 0.0 0.0 1.1 2.2 1.3 1.8 3.1 0.5 0.3 0.8 1.6 2.4 6.5 .400 .400 .000 .400 .511 .423 6 M****** B****** 2012-13 24 PHO NBA -1.5 75 20 20.7 4.1 10.2 3.5 8.3 0.6 1.9 1.3 1.7 0.7 3.1 3.8 1.5 0.4 0.5 1.9 1.4 10.1 .405 .426 .313 .434 .746 .462 7 Josh Jackson 2018-19 21 PHO NBA -1.5 71 25 24.2 4.2 10.2 3.4 7.6 0.8 2.7 1.8 2.7 0.9 3.3 4.1 2.3 0.9 0.7 2.2 2.5 11.0 .410 .443 .317 .452 .674 .484 8 Adam Morrison 2006-07 22 CHA NBA -1.5 78 23 29.8 4.6 12.1 3.4 8.8 1.1 3.3 1.5 2.2 0.7 2.3 2.9 2.1 0.4 0.1 1.7 2.3 11.8 .376 .391 .337 .422 .710 .450 9 Winford Boynes 1980-81 23 DAL NBA -1.4 44 17.2 2.8 7.1 2.8 7.1 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.3 0.5 1.2 1.7 0.8 0.5 0.4 1.6 1.8 6.5 .387 .387 .387 .818 .426 10 Art Harris 1969-70 23 TOT NBA -1.4 81 19.2 3.5 8.9 3.5 8.9 1.1 1.7 2.0 2.9 2.7 8.1 .394 .394 .394 .642 .419
Generated 3/18/2019.
Worst careers, same period:
Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original TableCode: Select all
Tota Per Shoo Rk Player From To Tm Lg WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS% 1 Fred Hilton 1972 1973 BUF NBA -3.5 120 17.3 4.2 10.7 4.2 10.7 1.1 1.5 2.1 1.6 2.0 9.4 .388 .388 .388 .749 .414 2 Lancaster Gordon 1985 1988 LAC NBA -2.7 201 6 12.8 2.3 6.0 2.2 5.6 0.1 0.4 0.8 1.0 0.6 0.7 1.3 1.5 0.6 0.2 1.2 1.3 5.6 .391 .400 .271 .400 .767 .433 3 Josh Jackson 2018 2019 PHO NBA -2.3 148 60 24.8 4.6 11.2 3.9 8.5 0.8 2.7 2.1 3.2 1.1 3.3 4.4 1.9 1.0 0.6 2.1 2.7 12.1 .414 .455 .288 .450 .650 .482 4 Bird Averitt 1977 1978 TOT NBA -1.8 130 17.1 3.3 8.5 3.3 8.5 1.7 2.4 0.3 1.0 1.2 2.5 0.5 0.1 2.6 1.9 8.3 .392 .392 .392 .713 .438 5 Frank Ntilikina 2018 2019 NYK NBA -1.7 119 25 21.7 2.3 6.5 1.6 4.3 0.7 2.2 0.6 0.8 0.4 1.8 2.2 3.1 0.8 0.3 1.6 2.4 5.9 .356 .382 .307 .409 .729 .431 6 Mardy Collins 2007 2010 TOT NBA -1.6 189 31 14.7 1.6 4.1 1.4 3.4 0.2 0.7 0.6 1.0 0.5 1.3 1.8 1.7 0.6 0.1 1.1 1.4 3.9 .380 .396 .299 .405 .599 .431 7 Rodrick Rhodes 1998 2000 TOT NBA -1.6 72 14 17.1 1.7 5.0 1.7 4.8 0.0 0.2 1.8 2.8 0.5 0.7 1.2 1.7 1.0 0.2 1.7 2.0 5.3 .347 .354 .200 .351 .620 .422 8 Nikoloz Tskitishvili 2003 2006 TOT NBA -1.6 172 16 11.3 1.1 3.6 0.9 2.6 0.3 1.1 0.5 0.7 0.6 1.2 1.8 0.7 0.3 0.3 0.7 1.3 2.9 .304 .332 .235 .338 .730 .375 9 Kenny McIntosh 1972 1975 TOT NBA -1.5 177 20.9 2.3 6.3 2.3 6.3 0.7 1.3 1.6 3.5 3.9 1.0 0.7 0.4 1.9 5.3 .361 .361 .361 .581 .386 10 Gary Zeller 1971 1972 BAL NBA -1.5 78 8.9 1.5 4.4 1.5 4.4 0.5 0.8 1.2 0.5 1.3 3.5 .340 .340 .340 .587 .365
Generated 3/18/2019.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Like I said, you haven't been paying attention.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:15 pmheh. Did you read the article? He’s statistically one of the WORST players in the league. Not bad, one of thethe worst. It’s hard to argue with that.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 amDude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 amLOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.
I’m not worried about a popularity contest. Dude is out there playing with 2 IQ making bad decisions at every turn on both ends of the court with no signs of improvement in decision making, and he makes one three pointer and it’s as if he’s “figuring it out.”
I get it Bone. You’re an eternal optimist. You probably didn’t want to give up on Chriss, Len, Goodwin, Bender. You probably liked Mike James, saw value in most of our trash that we’ve taken way too long to dump. But you can’t sell a turd as a legit prospect. He’s not bad. He’s historically bad.
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