Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:36 am
Isaiah Thomas? Yuck, Informer. Is that really you? Was your account hacked?
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Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:47 am
I am not sure he was advocating for signing him. I think the question was "who is gettable" and that was a response.
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:14 am
This board is pretty split this year. Votes all over the place
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:24 am
I may change my vote. I initially clicked Culver because he seemed like BPA. But then I watched some videos and read about Clarke and just liked the feel of his game better and the fit for us, so I switched my vote to him. But as I read more, I may change my mind.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:14 amThis board is pretty split this year. Votes all over the place
I have to admit that I often do what so many people say not to do: I do look at the draft based on team needs and fit. For example, I have a hard time looking at SG prospects in this draft. We have Booker. Why should we draft an SG? I have heard all the arguments and I understand them. We won 19 games. We don't have hardly any talent. We should draft the best player. I get it.
But in today's NBA, you have almost no data to go on. You see these kids play a couple dozen games over one season, mostly. They play a few tournament games. Then you have to decide whom to draft. We hardly know them, and their games may change a lot in their careers. There's almost no consensus about who is going to be a great pick beyond the top 1-2 guys. So why not draft a guy who would fill an important need if he turned out to be a star? It's almost a complete crapshoot anyway. Even if some SG/SF prospect is good, what good will it do him to languish on our bench? Why not draft an exciting young PF or PG and give him actual minutes and an actual role?
I may need to rethink how I look at the draft, but I find it really hard not to think about our roster and needs when I evaluate these guys. That's why I am drawn to prospects like Clarke (PF) or White (PG) more than, say, Culver or Reddish.
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:59 am
To be honest, it is hard not to when there are such glaring holes in the roster, and a relatively small amount of cap space to address them.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:24 amI may change my vote. I initially clicked Culver because he seemed like BPA. But then I watched some videos and read about Clarke and just liked the feel of his game better and the fit for us, so I switched my vote to him. But as I read more, I may change my mind.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:14 amThis board is pretty split this year. Votes all over the place
I have to admit that I often do what so many people say not to do: I do look at the draft based on team needs and fit. For example, I have a hard time looking at SG prospects in this draft. We have Booker. Why should we draft an SG? I have heard all the arguments and I understand them. We won 19 games. We don't have hardly any talent. We should draft the best player. I get it.
But in today's NBA, you have almost no data to go on. You see these kids play a couple dozen games over one season, mostly. They play a few tournament games. Then you have to decide whom to draft. We hardly know them, and their games may change a lot in their careers. There's almost no consensus about who is going to be a great pick beyond the top 1-2 guys. So why not draft a guy who would fill an important need if he turned out to be a star? It's almost a complete crapshoot anyway. Even if some SG/SF prospect is good, what good will it do him to languish on our bench? Why not draft an exciting young PF or PG and give him actual minutes and an actual role?
I may need to rethink how I look at the draft, but I find it really hard not to think about our roster and needs when I evaluate these guys. That's why I am drawn to prospects like Clarke (PF) or White (PG) more than, say, Culver or Reddish.
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:13 am
I was wondering if that would happen, part of the reason I made the poll. I picked Garland, but I’m hardly committed to him, I very well may change my mind.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:14 amThis board is pretty split this year. Votes all over the place
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:34 am
It's amazing how not taking Fox 2 years ago is still affecting this franchise. McD really set us back with that one.
I still think Clarke at 6 is a major reach but I also don't want another swing taken. It's just going to create another logjam and minutes crunch. I believe in drafting the BPA but we have overwhelming needs at PG and PF. I'm not convinced of the guys at PG and PF at 6. It's just a tough situation all around.
BTW, how come Hachimura isn't getting more attention? Am I missing something there?
I still think Clarke at 6 is a major reach but I also don't want another swing taken. It's just going to create another logjam and minutes crunch. I believe in drafting the BPA but we have overwhelming needs at PG and PF. I'm not convinced of the guys at PG and PF at 6. It's just a tough situation all around.
BTW, how come Hachimura isn't getting more attention? Am I missing something there?
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:53 am
I want Darius Garland. He's a PG with good handles and he's reportedly a good shooter. That's exactly what we need.
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:01 am
Clarke is a PF.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:34 amIt's amazing how not taking Fox 2 years ago is still affecting this franchise. McD really set us back with that one.
I still think Clarke at 6 is a major reach but I also don't want another swing taken. It's just going to create another logjam and minutes crunch. I believe in drafting the BPA but we have overwhelming needs at PG and PF. I'm not convinced of the guys at PG and PF at 6. It's just a tough situation all around.
BTW, how come Hachimura isn't getting more attention? Am I missing something there?
I’m not an expert on Hachimura...feels very similar to TJ. All offense, no defense, no passing. Good shooter, questionable range. I just don’t think he does much for us. I’ve seen Jabari comparisons as well.
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:06 am
I gotta say
As always the amount of Info I get on here regarding players is great. I can't pretend that I went and watch videos on all these players but I think I can safely say that I want us to draft Brandon Culver
As always the amount of Info I get on here regarding players is great. I can't pretend that I went and watch videos on all these players but I think I can safely say that I want us to draft Brandon Culver
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:10 am
He's not that good. I mean, he's an ok prospect but he shoots with the wrong hand, came to basketball late, and seems to lack feel for the game. He's athletic and a hard worker but I struggle to see how he will succeed in the league at current.ShelC wrote:
BTW, how come Hachimura isn't getting more attention? Am I missing something there?
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:31 pm
According to Gambo, the Suns are going to end up picking Coby White.
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Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:41 pm
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:51 pm
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:18 pm
Gambo also says the Suns will refuse to trade #6 for Dinwiddie even if he’s available.
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:27 pm
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:30 pm
If McD didn't f everything up, starting with trading for Knight:
1. he would have picked Fox
2. we could have had SGA since we would have picked Bridges outright and would have only traded away 16 and the Mil pick.
3. the Miami unprotected '21 pick
4. probably a happier TJ
5. $26 Mil in cap space with no need to pick a crappy pg this year.
Potential depth chart would have looked like this going into the draft:
Fox/SGA/Harrison
Booker/Daniels/??
Warren/Bridges/??
??/??
Ayton/??
1. he would have picked Fox
2. we could have had SGA since we would have picked Bridges outright and would have only traded away 16 and the Mil pick.
3. the Miami unprotected '21 pick
4. probably a happier TJ
5. $26 Mil in cap space with no need to pick a crappy pg this year.
Potential depth chart would have looked like this going into the draft:
Fox/SGA/Harrison
Booker/Daniels/??
Warren/Bridges/??
??/??
Ayton/??
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:31 pm
I always take Gambo with a grain of salt. He clearly does have some access and proximity to the team and its front office, so what he says merits attention. But I don't think what he says can be taken at face value. For one thing, the F.O. knows that he'll publish whatever they tell him. So they can feed him information to get things out there to gauge the reaction. Or they can feed him misinformation that will come out as part of a negotiating strategy. That comment about how they won't trade the #6 pick for Dinwiddie reeks of such a tactic. They want it to get out there that they won't give up #6 as an initial negotiating position.
As for his comment about White, that could also be to hide who we are truly interested in. We've had Culver and Clarke in for workouts, so one of those guys is likely our favorite so far.
As for his comment about White, that could also be to hide who we are truly interested in. We've had Culver and Clarke in for workouts, so one of those guys is likely our favorite so far.
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:37 pm
If we do take white, I hope it’s after we trade down.
Re: Who to pick at 6
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 3:46 pm
Get me excited about Coby White, fam. What's to like? The nearly 4 assists and 3 turnovers a game?