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So here is the problem: Monty has no desire to feature Ayton in the offense. And yes, Ayton has contributed to his own underachieving, but at the end of the day, unless the Suns brass is going to undergo a monumental shift in philosophy, it just doesn't make sense to make a max or near max investment in Ayton.
Just think if he would have accepted the exact same "max" contract last year from the Suns...Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:42 pmI'm curious to see if Ayton keeps his agent if he doesn't receive the max contract that has supposedly been on the table from several teams.
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:30 pmCom'on man, we've been saying that here for like two months.
Good point. The money isn't there. There really isn't any heat on him as a FA target from what I have seen.Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:21 pmMaybe Ayton is simply not a max player. Lots of people argued that he’s a max player if the market says he’s a max player, but it doesn’t seem like any team is running to clear space to offer him the max. If it was such a no-brainer you think you’d have multiple teams lining up for the ability to pay him.
Shabazz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:21 pmMaybe Ayton is simply not a max player. Lots of people argued that he’s a max player if the market says he’s a max player, but it doesn’t seem like any team is running to clear space to offer him the max. If it was such a no-brainer you think you’d have multiple teams lining up for the ability to pay him.
"I think what Phoenix and Deandre Ayton would prefer is the Suns would get some assets from a team whether it's draft picks or players or cap space," said Adrian Wojnarowski. "And Deandre Ayton gets his max contract elsewhere. That can all start moving tomorrow at 6 PM Eastern. I think there's several landing spots for Deandre Ayton on a max contract and those conversations can commence.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap-a ... -Offer-Max
Teams are gearing up for a sign-and-trade scenario involving Ayton, per @Adrian Wojnarowski. “There’s max money out in the marketplace for Deandre Ayton.”
https://sports.yahoo.com/suns-reluctant ... 28937.html
From title contender to play-in place in one year. Hell yeah! Such a mastermind by James Jones and Monty Williams.
So, just because DA isn't helping us get past the Warriors (maybe yes, maybe not, we don't know that yet) let's gift a top 5 NBA C to other franchise and downgrade our team to fight for a spot in play-in.
I am the Suns' fan since '93 but probably won't watch my Suns with the same passion next season if that happens.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:52 amIf the Suns trade Ayton for a pu pu platter and cap space, I am done with the Suns.
This 100%. The Suns have peaked, it's only down from here.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:25 amWell I'm not on the "we'll be nothing more than a play-in game team" bandwagon that is quickly picking up steam, but I do think the situation is more nuanced than either/or.
When you are making decisions about how much to invest in this group, I think you have to ask yourself what are you preserving. Personally, I take the last two years and see a team that is headed in wrong direction. That doesn't motivate me to want to invest $30 million in payroll to keep it together.
So when I see statements along the lines of "how can we not bring back Ayton?! We'll never beat the Warriors without him!" - I don't think we're beating the Warriors with him. And for me, it isn't just about the Warriors. I see the NBA catching up with and passing by the Suns. And that concerns me. And I don't think an MLE player there, and a Ja Crowder trade here, will move the needle enough to get us where we all want to go.
Ayton is getting a lot of the attention now because a decision on his future is upon us now. But of course, it isn't just Ayton where the issue lies. Our bench stinks. We don't have a reliable second scorer. CP3 is fading. There are a lot of leaks in this boat and it has started the slow descent to below water.
We should trade Booker for pics then, if that logic is anything to go by, just like Spurs with Murray.TOO wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:48 amThis 100%. The Suns have peaked, it's only down from here.INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:25 amWell I'm not on the "we'll be nothing more than a play-in game team" bandwagon that is quickly picking up steam, but I do think the situation is more nuanced than either/or.
When you are making decisions about how much to invest in this group, I think you have to ask yourself what are you preserving. Personally, I take the last two years and see a team that is headed in wrong direction. That doesn't motivate me to want to invest $30 million in payroll to keep it together.
So when I see statements along the lines of "how can we not bring back Ayton?! We'll never beat the Warriors without him!" - I don't think we're beating the Warriors with him. And for me, it isn't just about the Warriors. I see the NBA catching up with and passing by the Suns. And that concerns me. And I don't think an MLE player there, and a Ja Crowder trade here, will move the needle enough to get us where we all want to go.
Ayton is getting a lot of the attention now because a decision on his future is upon us now. But of course, it isn't just Ayton where the issue lies. Our bench stinks. We don't have a reliable second scorer. CP3 is fading. There are a lot of leaks in this boat and it has started the slow descent to below water.
If all of that is true, then at least keep your young core together and build around them (Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson). Keep that continuity and let them grow together!INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:25 amWell I'm not on the "we'll be nothing more than a play-in game team" bandwagon that is quickly picking up steam, but I do think the situation is more nuanced than either/or.
When you are making decisions about how much to invest in this group, I think you have to ask yourself what are you preserving. Personally, I take the last two years and see a team that is headed in wrong direction. That doesn't motivate me to want to invest $30 million in payroll to keep it together.
So when I see statements along the lines of "how can we not bring back Ayton?! We'll never beat the Warriors without him!" - I don't think we're beating the Warriors with him. And for me, it isn't just about the Warriors. I see the NBA catching up with and passing by the Suns. And that concerns me. And I don't think an MLE player there, and a Ja Crowder trade here, will move the needle enough to get us where we all want to go.
Ayton is getting a lot of the attention now because a decision on his future is upon us now. But of course, it isn't just Ayton where the issue lies. Our bench stinks. We don't have a reliable second scorer. CP3 is fading. There are a lot of leaks in this boat and it has started the slow descent to below water.