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Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:51 am
by Wormwood
pickle wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:44 pm
ShelC wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:11 pm
I like Cedi and I like him as a 3 level scorer off the bench. We'd still be missing the defense, but that's the trade off. I think he'd fit in well, all things considered.
I wonder if there's a 3way where we can send Jae to Cleveland but get back Cedi and then Brandon Clarke from Memphis.
I love Clarke, but so does Memphis. I cannot see a scenario where we get him for Crowder.
1. Cedi averages 2.2 rpg in 22 mpg. That's terrible. I could average that.
2. Clarke's minutes in Memphis have been dropping, as has his usage. Memphis likes him, but they're less and less reliant on him for minutes. He doesn't stretch the floor, but he's incredibly efficient. I'd love to land him and play him alongside Saric / Londale.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:05 am
by Split T
Cedí certainly isn’t a good rebounder, but I think you’d average .1 rebounds per 22 minutes WW
I think it’s important to remember that he also played with Allen, Mobley, Love, Markkanen. That was a massive team and a very good rebounding team. His career numbers are better. He’s better than Mikal as a rebounder.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:08 am
by specialsauce
No to Cedi.
Yes to Clarke.
Yes to Barnes.
Hell no to Danny Green.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:21 am
by JeremyG
It would be interesting if we end up with both CamJ and Clarke at the 4, since a lot of us wanted to draft Clarke over Cam.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:32 pm
by Split T
I’d be a little disappointed with Cedí, but at this point I think we passed the point to upgrade Crowder. Now we just need to add someone or multiple someone’s that are useful. Our starting lineup is set. Now we need depth. Cedí is at least a playable rotation guy.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:35 am
by Wally_West
Would you revisit Eric Gordon? Crowder and Shamet for Gordon?
I was skeptical in the past of signing melo but I’m with Split, finally. I would do it right now, he would instantly be our best bench player.
Sign Carmelo, then you’d have two guys off the bench that can handle the ball, get their own shot and shoot. Defense would suffer and injuries would be a major concern but id rather 60 games of Gordon and Melo than 82 games of Unplayable dog shit bench that it looks like we have now.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:38 am
by Drewsprocket
I get the sinking feeling that they expect Cam Payne and Shamet to have better seasons.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:18 am
by Mori Chu
Wally_West wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:35 am
Would you revisit Eric Gordon? Crowder and Shamet for Gordon?
I was skeptical in the past of signing melo but I’m with Split, finally. I would do it right now, he would instantly be our best bench player.
Sign Carmelo, then you’d have two guys off the bench that can handle the ball, get their own shot and shoot. Defense would suffer and injuries would be a major concern but id rather 60 games of Gordon and Melo than 82 games of Unplayable dog shit bench that it looks like we have now.
I would love to have Melo. I would also love to get any guard who could reduce our dependency on Payne / Shamet. I haven't totally given up on either Payne or Shamet, but I'm watching to see signs of improvement and steady contributions from them. If I don't see that soon, I will basically enter panic mode.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:20 pm
by The Bobster
I think it's reasonable to expect a better season from Payne, but Shamet pretty much matched his career numbers, so I don't see much reason for hope there.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:01 pm
by Mori Chu
The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:20 pm
I think it's reasonable to expect a better season from Payne, but Shamet pretty much matched his career numbers, so I don't see much reason for hope there.
The argument for Shamet possibly having a better season is, he's only 25, and last year was his first year on a new team. This year he's older, wiser, more familiar with our system. And he did have some good playoff games and late-season play, better than his early outings as a Sun. So there is some hope for improvement. I don't think he has "it" in him to be a great bench guard, but maybe he'll show us something.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:41 pm
by Superbone
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:01 pm
The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:20 pm
I think it's reasonable to expect a better season from Payne, but Shamet pretty much matched his career numbers, so I don't see much reason for hope there.
The argument for Shamet possibly having a better season is, he's only 25, and last year was his first year on a new team. This year he's older, wiser, more familiar with our system. And he did have some good playoff games and late-season play, better than his early outings as a Sun. So there is some hope for improvement. I don't think he has "it" in him to be a great bench guard, but maybe he'll show us something.
He's shown flashes. Now he has to show more consistency.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:15 pm
by Drewsprocket
Yeah. Somebody needs to hold it down off the bench. Otherwise it’s ugly right now. I saw that Eric Gordon is switching representation to Book’s agency. Be nice to have a scorer off the bench who is consistent.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:42 pm
by TOO
How long can this drag on before it becomes a real issue? Can we stash him til we can move Ayton?
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:07 pm
by Superbone
TOO wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:42 pm
How long can this drag on before it becomes a real issue? Can we stash him til we can move Ayton?
Well, seeing as we haven’t even played our second preseason game, I’d say we have a little time anyway.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:48 pm
by specialsauce
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:01 pm
The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:20 pm
I think it's reasonable to expect a better season from Payne, but Shamet pretty much matched his career numbers, so I don't see much reason for hope there.
The argument for Shamet possibly having a better season is, he's only 25, and last year was his first year on a new team. This year he's older, wiser, more familiar with our system. And he did have some good playoff games and late-season play, better than his early outings as a Sun. So there is some hope for improvement. I don't think he has "it" in him to be a great bench guard, but maybe he'll show us something.
He didn’t have good playoff games. He had a few good playoff PLAYS
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:24 pm
by Split T
He had a pretty good game against Dallas in game 5 I believe.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:16 pm
by bajanguy008
I still believe Payne can be a positive or well simply not a negative most nights as was the case last season
Shamet is more of a Hope thing right now tbh
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:58 pm
by specialsauce
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:24 pm
He had a pretty good game against Dallas in game 5 I believe.
He had a dunk and everyone busted about it. One good play.
He didn’t score until the end of the third quarter when the suns were up 19.
This is our most expensive bench player. Our supposed sixth man
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:09 pm
by Split T
specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:58 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:24 pm
He had a pretty good game against Dallas in game 5 I believe.
He had a dunk and everyone busted about it. One good play.
He didn’t score until the end of the third quarter when the suns were up 19.
This is our most expensive bench player. Our supposed sixth man
Not trying to say 1 game means much, but he was solid that whole game. I remember thinking we needed to try something else because Payne at the 1 was not the answer. We went to Shamet that game and the bench just played a lot better. He may not have scored until late, but he had a solid game.
Doesn’t mean I think he’s our 6th man. I’m definitely in favor of upgrading him.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:12 pm
by specialsauce
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:09 pm
specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:58 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 5:24 pm
He had a pretty good game against Dallas in game 5 I believe.
He had a dunk and everyone busted about it. One good play.
He didn’t score until the end of the third quarter when the suns were up 19.
This is our most expensive bench player. Our supposed sixth man
Not trying to say 1 game means much, but he was solid that whole game. I remember thinking we needed to try something else because Payne at the 1 was not the answer. We went to Shamet that game and the bench just played a lot better. He may not have scored until late, but he had a solid game.
Doesn’t mean I think he’s our 6th man. I’m definitely in favor of upgrading him.
He hit 2 field goals. Is his bar that low?