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I also wonder if the reason we hired Vogel was because he was the only one willing to keep Young on. Seems the most likely move is probably jettisoning Vogel and just turning the team over to Young completely…the play this year doesn’t give me confidence in that move though…I can’t believe Doc Rivers actually sounds like an option right now.

I’m reading a lot of stuff about the locker room split between Vogel/Young…if that’s the case I have to believe it means Booker and KD are split…if they were aligned on who they supported then this wouldn’t be an issue. Need to figure this out quick.

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:34 pm

I also wonder if the reason we hired Vogel was because he was the only one willing to keep Young on.

Might also have something to do with the fact that he was just three years off a championship. We had every reason to believe he was capable of winning with a good roster.

Cap wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:04 pm

Split T wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:34 pm

I also wonder if the reason we hired Vogel was because he was the only one willing to keep Young on.

Might also have something to do with the fact that he was just three years off a championship. We had every reason to believe he was capable of winning with a good roster.

Ya could be…he did kind of come out of nowhere though and wasn’t on the initial lists of people we were considering…just trying to connect some dots here…and we did get the weird reports that guys like Nurse removed themselves from consideration. We assumed they removed themselves because they weren’t getting the job, but maybe they actually did remove themselves because they didn’t want to be forced to take Kevin Young

I know things aren't looking good in Detroit, but I wish they had let Monty have a chance with this team. Or kept CP3. But having at least a little bit of consistency would have been good.

If Durant don't like KY or his plays, that would explain a lot of the body language and the "I'm not even trying" on defense.

wpmiller42 wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:50 pm

I know things aren't looking good in Detroit, but I wish they had let Monty have a chance with this team. Or kept CP3. But having at least a little bit of consistency would have been good.

If Monty were still coaching us, we’d probably be better than 14-15. If Frank were coaching Detroit, they’d almost certainly be better than 2-27. Can we trade coaches?

Anyone have a delorean?

Furlanfufi wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:20 pm

If Durant don't like KY or his plays, that would explain a lot of the body language and the "I'm not even trying" on defense.

It's a weird one because 36 unbothered was obviously posted before Vogel was hired so you'd have to think both KD and Book were on board with the idea that Young would be handed the reins. On that basis perhaps this is more of a rebellion by both Book and KD against ownership for bringing in a coach they didn't want.

I never liked the idea of keeping Young. It should have been very foreseeable to Ishbia that Young and Vogel might not always be on the same page, to put it nicely. You can only have one head coach.

I would still fire Young and keep Frank and see what happens. But you can’t let the players run the front office. Or things like this happen.

SunsSince92 wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:58 pm

Furlanfufi wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:20 pm

If Durant don't like KY or his plays, that would explain a lot of the body language and the "I'm not even trying" on defense.

It's a weird one because 36 unbothered was obviously posted before Vogel was hired so you'd have to think both KD and Book were on board with the idea that Young would be handed the reins. On that basis perhaps this is more of a rebellion by both Book and KD against ownership for bringing in a coach they didn't want.

But Book even if he wasn't hitting his shots, was giving a damn on defense. Durant have the "it's not my fault we suck" attitude in the last games.

Maybe it's already been posted, but this video is a savage takedown of the Suns defense from the Mavs game.

I don’t even care about the defense right now…fix the offense and then worry about the defense. Offense is going to be what drives this team and it’s broken right now too.

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:41 pm

Maybe it's already been posted, but this video is a savage takedown of the Suns defense from the Mavs game.

Spoiler: show/hide

I have respect for his passion to study the game, but that guy is pretty unhinged and seems miserable in every video.

Greyson Allen, get your back to the baseline! Over the screen if he's not hedging! Why are you jogging? Now you have to front the post!
FRANK VOGEL ASSASINATED LINCOLN AND JFK!!! FIZDALE CREATED PANCREATIC CANCER AND SELLS CHILDREN IN THE BASEMENT OF A PIZZA PARLOR!!!

It's exhausting, and now I find it pretty annoying how he nitpicks everything in all of his videos even if he's technically correct most of the time.

Getting hammered by Dallas on Christmas and there being a million videos posted about how Donkic had the second best game of any player in the history of basketball and completely single-handedly destroyed the Suns has to be a kick in the crotch for the Suns organization that could have drafted him. Getting totally humiliated in front of a national audience has to motivate you a little.

Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:55 pm

Mori Chu wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 26, 2023 8:41 pm

Maybe it's already been posted, but this video is a savage takedown of the Suns defense from the Mavs game.

Spoiler: show/hide

I have respect for his passion to study the game, but that guy is pretty unhinged and seems miserable in every video.

Greyson Allen, get your back to the baseline! Over the screen if he's not hedging! Why are you jogging? Now you have to front the post!
FRANK VOGEL ASSASINATED LINCOLN AND JFK!!! FIZDALE CREATED PANCREATIC CANCER AND SELLS CHILDREN IN THE BASEMENT OF A PIZZA PARLOR!!!

It's exhausting, and now I find it pretty annoying how he nitpicks everything in all of his videos even if he's technically correct most of the time.

He's a very shitty version of David Nash, one is educational and the other is just whining.

Nodack wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:42 am

Getting hammered by Dallas on Christmas and there being a million videos posted about how Donkic had the second best game of any player in the history of basketball and completely single-handedly destroyed the Suns has to be a kick in the crotch for the Suns organization that could have drafted him. Getting totally humiliated in front of a national audience has to motivate you a little.

According to the ratings, everybody was watching the NFL games.

Well it was something like the fifth nba game of the day in a row and most of the East coast was probably asleep by the time the game started.