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Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:32 am
by Sunsfan4life
In2ition wrote:I heard a lot of excuses and covering for Watson. He should be playing more and everyone knows it. And what is this they all have to develop at different times? It sounds like Watson is trying to hold Bender back and force Chriss to breakout first. I don't think you should control when it happens. What if Bender or Ulis was supposed to break out first, if he let it happen organically and based on performance and performance of the team?
Watson has a personal connection with Chriss. There were a few quotes after we drafted him that said the staff was split on which one to draft (Bender or Chriss) and it was obvious to be Watson wanted Chriss.
I didn't think at the time it was a bad thing or does it mean it is now, but it becomes one when it involves holding another young guy down.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:36 am
by Sunsfan4life
And this is by no means trying to bury Chriss. There's been times this year where he's had good stretches only to never see the floor again.
Does anyone remember the Laker game on ESPN about a month ago? He came out and had like 6 or 8pts in the first 5 mins of the 2nd half inluding a 3 and a gorgeous dunk, as well as a nice pass to Chandler. It was the best 5 min stretch I saw of him all year and the announcers were gushing over him. He was then taken out and never saw the floor again. We won the game, but what are you telling your young guy after that?
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:08 pm
by UglyTruth
It's well past december 15th and Brandon Knight is still on the damn roster.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:12 pm
by Superbone
UglyTruth wrote:It's well past december 15th and Brandon Knight is still on the damn roster.
February 23rd, 2017 is the date you want to look at as that's the trading deadline. How many other trades have you heard about since the 15th?
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 5:34 pm
by UglyTruth
Superbone wrote:UglyTruth wrote:It's well past december 15th and Brandon Knight is still on the damn roster.
February 23rd, 2017 is the date you want to look at as that's the trading deadline. How many other trades have you heard about since the 15th?
How many other teams have a player that needs to be shipped out as bad as Knight?
Knight is ruining Booker. Booker is out there taking Knight like shots and playing like Knight.
I wish the Suns had balls like Stan Van Gundy and how he got rid of Josh Smith anyway possible for the better of their team.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:41 pm
by Danimal
UglyTruth wrote:Superbone wrote:UglyTruth wrote:It's well past december 15th and Brandon Knight is still on the damn roster.
February 23rd, 2017 is the date you want to look at as that's the trading deadline. How many other trades have you heard about since the 15th?
How many other teams have a player that needs to be shipped out as bad as Knight?
Knight is ruining Booker. Booker is out there taking Knight like shots and playing like Knight.
I wish the Suns had balls like Stan Van Gundy and how he got rid of Josh Smith anyway possible for the better of their team.
i think that's the an issue with the whole 'family' narrative. It makes it harder to do stuff like that or looks completely hollow when you do.
I wish Earl had taken more of the x's and o's from the spurs and not just the off court family staff. Being unselfish on the court is way more important.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:26 pm
by Split T
UglyTruth wrote:Superbone wrote:UglyTruth wrote:It's well past december 15th and Brandon Knight is still on the damn roster.
February 23rd, 2017 is the date you want to look at as that's the trading deadline. How many other trades have you heard about since the 15th?
How many other teams have a player that needs to be shipped out as bad as Knight?
Knight is ruining Booker. Booker is out there taking Knight like shots and playing like Knight.
I wish the Suns had balls like Stan Van Gundy and how he got rid of Josh Smith anyway possible for the better of their team.
Don't blame Booker's struggles on Knight, Knight has nothing to do with it. Criticize Knight all you want for his actual shortcomings, he's got quite a few this year, but lets not start making up knocks on Knight.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:42 am
by SDC
I wonder if there's a way to bring back dragic and reunite him and bledsoe?
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:31 am
by The Bobster
From ESPN Insider -
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_ ... orst-teams
How to fix the big flaws on each of the NBA's four worst teams
Phoenix Suns (28)
Big flaw: Lineup musical chairs
The Suns have played five lottery picks age 23 or younger this season, a number matched only by the Minnesota Timberwolves and 76ers. While they may lack an obvious future superstar, they offer no shortage of intriguing, high-ceiling prospects, including Devin Booker, TJ Warren, Marquese Chriss, Dragan Bender and Alex Len. There is more raw clay in the Phoenix desert than any potter would know what to do with.
Throw in the presence of Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, P.J. Tucker, Jared Dudley, Leandro Barbosa and Tyson Chandler -- all of whom have the game to command regular minutes -- and it becomes readily apparent that head coach Earl Watson almost has too many options.
The average NBA team has six different five-man lineups that have appeared in at least 10 games together. The Suns have one, tied with the Nets for the fewest in the NBA. The combination of Bledsoe, Booker, Tucker, Chriss and Chandler have appeared together in 16 of Phoenix's 31 games. The Suns have 32 different combinations of 3-man lineups that have played at least 150 minutes. None of them involve three of the 23-or-younger prospects.
If you consider Booker, Bender and Chriss the top three Suns prospects, at some point you'd want to see all three on the floor. So far this season, the three have shared the floor for a grand total of 15 minutes.
Solution: Unload some veterans
Tucker would likely be the easiest to move since he's in the final year of his contract and making just $5.3 million. He could provide a strong defensive presence on the wing for any contender.
Given the salary cap climate and going rate for productive rotation pieces, both Chandler and Dudley are also on relatively friendly deals. Dudley is on the hook for two more seasons after this at a combined cost of $19.5 million. Chandler comes at a steeper price as he's owed $13 million next season and $13.6 million the season after that. Though no longer the shot blocker he once was, Chandler is still an elite rebounder (his rebound rate of 23 percent ranks fifth in the NBA behind only Andre Drummond, Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan and Hassan Whiteside).
The Suns don't need to dump all of their vets, and it's not like they're short on young talent. They just don't need so much lineup clutter. Even if Tucker turned into an eventual draft-and-stash pick, it would be a useful step in not only creating space in the rotation short-term but also providing potential long-term stability.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:01 pm
by carey
Thanks Bobster.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:30 pm
by Ring_Wanted
carey wrote:Thanks Bobster.
Absolutely. Let's pray to the elderly gods.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:35 pm
by Superbone
Yes, appreciate it. The author knows what he's talking about.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 3:37 pm
by Superbone
Ring_Wanted wrote:carey wrote:Thanks Bobster.
Absolutely. Let's pray to the elderly gods.
I prefer to pray to the basketball gods.
It seems like the elderly gods are already favoring us but they are quite senile.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 8:35 pm
by O_Gardino
The Bobster wrote:From ESPN Insider -
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_ ... orst-teams
How to fix the big flaws on each of the NBA's four worst teams
Phoenix Suns (28)
Big flaw: Lineup musical chairs
...
The Suns don't need to dump all of their vets, and it's not like they're short on young talent. They just don't need so much lineup clutter. Even if Tucker turned into an eventual draft-and-stash pick, it would be a useful step in not only creating space in the rotation short-term but also providing potential long-term stability.
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Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:26 pm
by Superbone
O_Gardino wrote:The Bobster wrote:From ESPN Insider -
http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_ ... orst-teams
How to fix the big flaws on each of the NBA's four worst teams
Phoenix Suns (28)
Big flaw: Lineup musical chairs
...
The Suns don't need to dump all of their vets, and it's not like they're short on young talent. They just don't need so much lineup clutter. Even if Tucker turned into an eventual draft-and-stash pick, it would be a useful step in not only creating space in the rotation short-term but also providing potential long-term stability.
This this this
Which is all on the GM. C'mon McD. Fix things at the trade deadline.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:21 am
by SDC
not new, but booker made me laugh here
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:39 am
by Mori Chu
How to fix the big flaws on each of the NBA's four worst teams
Phoenix Suns (28)
Big flaw: Coach sucks
...
Solution: Get a better coach
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:20 pm
by The Bobster
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:How to fix the big flaws on each of the NBA's four worst teams
Phoenix Suns (28)
Big flaw: Coach sucks
...
Solution: Get a better coach
Also keep adding more young talent.
And be patient.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:58 pm
by Superbone
SDC wrote:not new, but booker made me laugh here
He learned that from watching Harden.
Re: Suns News: Week 10 12/26-1/1
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:59 pm
by Furlanfufi
Guys, what happened to Dudley? Seems like he's out of the rotation entirely