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Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:32 am
by JeremyG
If the best offer DA gets is substantially less than a max, DA’s camp might want to only do a couple years, which is what Jones might want also. So that could work out for both sides.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:41 am
by TOO
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:50 am
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:00 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:28 pm
RFA typically moves a lot slower than UFA. It’s just the way it works.
Nobody’s asking why Miles Bridges has gotten any max offers yet…oh wait…
There's a reason nobody is touching Bridges.
yeah, hence the "oh wait" at the end.
but you know someone will sign him because our world doesn't care about this stuff.
He'll be a Laker on the minimum
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:46 am
by Split T
He’ll probably have to take the QO
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:51 am
by JeremyG
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:46 am
He’ll probably have to take the QO
Hornets can rescind it at any moment.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:52 am
by INFORMER
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:46 am
He’ll probably have to take the QO
Yeah, I think you're right. And who knows if he'll even be able to play...he'll likely get hit with a huge suspension.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:36 am
by Mori Chu
It seems like there's a narrative out there right now about Ayton that the league has decided he's not a max player. And yeah, if nobody is offering him the max, maybe that is the simplest conclusion. But I think the situation is more nuanced than that. There are two big confounding factors: one is that Ayton is an RFA, and the other is that not many teams have max cap space.
I think if Ayton were an UFA, he probably would have gotten a max offer or something close to it. Teams just don't want to go to all the trouble of courting a player, getting a commitment, signing an offer, only to have it matched a few days later and end up with nothing. Meanwhile they miss out on all of the other potential FA targets. That is a huge obstacle. RFA guys often struggle in the open market for this reason. And that's entirely by design; it's the point of restricted free agency, to give the current team a leg up and make it more likely you can find a way to retain your own free agent.
The other factor I mentioned is that not many teams have max cap space. I think plenty of contenders or near-contenders would want Ayton if they could fit him into their cap. Why wouldn't, say, Atlanta want him? Or Dallas? Or the Clippers, or the Pelicans, or any number of other teams? But they can't afford him. It isn't that they wouldn't pay him the max, it's that they can't. There are only a few teams with max space this summer, and mostly they're awful teams. So they don't want to break the bank to get Ayton since he's a piece that is most effective if you already have 1-2 other stars on your team to work with.
Anyways I'm not saying Ayton is some MVP candidate or whatever, just that the fact that he hasn't found a max offer doesn't mean that the league has decided he sucks. It's an outcome of a particular free agency situation that is complicated.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:41 am
by Cap
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:51 am
Split T wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:46 am
He’ll probably have to take the QO
Hornets can rescind it at any moment.
Theoretically they could, but it’s only $7.9M, which is well below his market value, even now.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am
by Mori Chu
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:41 am
Theoretically they could, but it’s only $7.9M, which is well below his market value, even now.
Is it? How much would you pay for a player who may literally end up in prison?
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:55 am
by JeremyG
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:36 am
It seems like there's a narrative out there right now about Ayton that the league has decided he's not a max player. And yeah, if nobody is offering him the max, maybe that is the simplest conclusion. But I think the situation is more nuanced than that. There are two big confounding factors: one is that Ayton is an RFA, and the other is that not many teams have max cap space.
I think if Ayton were an UFA, he probably would have gotten a max offer or something close to it. Teams just don't want to go to all the trouble of courting a player, getting a commitment, signing an offer, only to have it matched a few days later and end up with nothing. Meanwhile they miss out on all of the other potential FA targets. That is a huge obstacle. RFA guys often struggle in the open market for this reason. And that's entirely by design; it's the point of restricted free agency, to give the current team a leg up and make it more likely you can find a way to retain your own free agent.
The other factor I mentioned is that not many teams have max cap space. I think plenty of contenders or near-contenders would want Ayton if they could fit him into their cap. Why wouldn't, say, Atlanta want him? Or Dallas? Or the Clippers, or the Pelicans, or any number of other teams? But they can't afford him. It isn't that they wouldn't pay him the max, it's that they can't. There are only a few teams with max space this summer, and mostly they're awful teams. So they don't want to break the bank to get Ayton since he's a piece that is most effective if you already have 1-2 other stars on your team to work with.
Anyways I'm not saying Ayton is some MVP candidate or whatever, just that the fact that he hasn't found a max offer doesn't mean that the league has decided he sucks. It's an outcome of a particular free agency situation that is complicated.
Exactly. Well said. Also, one of those teams without max cap space may still do a S&T for him but that is also difficult with the BYC considerations.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:01 am
by Cap
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:51 am
Cap wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:41 am
Theoretically they could, but it’s only $7.9M, which is well below his market value, even now.
Is it? How much would you pay for a player who may literally end up in prison?
He’s very unlikely to end up in prison, and if he does you don’t have to pay him.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:37 am
by JeremyG
You just know Sarver will now let Ayton walk to Indiana for nothing to save money, and claim that it’s all good because we got Durant.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:40 am
by TOO
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:37 am
You just know Sarver will now let Ayton walk to Indiana for nothing to save money, and claim that it’s all good because we got Durant.
I don't think that will work financially. Ayton has to go in the deal imo.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:00 pm
by JeremyG
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:40 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:37 am
You just know Sarver will now let Ayton walk to Indiana for nothing to save money, and claim that it’s all good because we got Durant.
I don't think that will work financially. Ayton has to go in the deal imo.
We can do the deal for KD with just our expirings, and certainly adding in Bridges and/or Johnson.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:59 pm
by Split T
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:59 pm
by JeremyG
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:01 pm
by Split T
Could get us more picks to get KD?
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:01 pm
by TOO
But oh they have picks, so many picks. We about to send 8 firsts and 3 swaps to BKN lol.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:02 pm
by JeremyG
Everybody’s saying Mitchell but he can’t go to Nets unless they get rid of Simmons.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:03 pm
by ShelC
Mitchell to BK, DA to Utah and KD to Phx.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:04 pm
by Split T
Maybe a 4 team where Mitchell goes to Miami and Herro and picks go to Brooklyn, Ayton to Utah, KD to Phoenix…