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"That word isn't acceptable anywhere, and I hope we can find a way to eliminate it from the vocabulary in general."
And too often people want to extract a pound of flesh and expect everyone else to feel the same that they do.INFORMER wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:15 pmI don't have a problem with a player being honest. It's easy to follow the mob mentality and just trash the guy just so you don't get accused of tolerating or supporting his bad behavior. But if you honestly didn't have that experience, I don't have a problem with someone saying so. Too many are in too much of a rush to paint people as all bad or irredeemable.
Agreed.The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:19 pmSome actions require it though - sometimes you have to cut out a cancer.
Yes.Uncle_Gene wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:19 pmDoes that mean both ?
But I don't think it was for lack of trying or being unaware of the weaknesses. We're not going to trade CP and upgrade that position right now and teams aren't exactly hot for Payne or Shamet to where we could upgrade those spots via trade. For better or worse, we committed ourselves to those guys being part of the core/rotation. Bigger moves like KD and Barnes fell thru. I also don't think guys like Montrezl Harrell or Schroder were realistic options as FAs. So we brought the same group back hoping to make some incremental improvements until something else comes along. This isn't Ryan McDonaugh thinking he solved his roster issues with Isaiah Canaan, Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson.INFORMER wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:22 pmIt's not that the Suns needed to make a big move; they just needed to improve on the glaring holes in this roster. And they didn't. The followed up surrendering a 2-0 lead in the NBA finals with surrendering a 2-0 lead to a significantly inferior opponent in the conference semifinals. The player they've placed all their eggs in can't stay healthy in the playoffs and is getting closer to 40.
So to address these trends that are working against the the team, the GM brings in Jock Landale, Josh Okogie, and Damian Lee.
Yeah, that is mission accomplished.
Maybe disaster is too strong of a word. But at best the offseason was insufficient or lackluster.
I’m with Inf.ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:13 amBut I don't think it was for lack of trying or being unaware of the weaknesses. We're not going to trade CP and upgrade that position right now and teams aren't exactly hot for Payne or Shamet to where we could upgrade those spots via trade. For better or worse, we committed ourselves to those guys being part of the core/rotation. Bigger moves like KD and Barnes fell thru. I also don't think guys like Montrezl Harrell or Schroder were realistic options as FAs. So we brought the same group back hoping to make some incremental improvements until something else comes along. This isn't Ryan McDonaugh thinking he solved his roster issues with Isaiah Canaan, Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson.INFORMER wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:22 pmIt's not that the Suns needed to make a big move; they just needed to improve on the glaring holes in this roster. And they didn't. The followed up surrendering a 2-0 lead in the NBA finals with surrendering a 2-0 lead to a significantly inferior opponent in the conference semifinals. The player they've placed all their eggs in can't stay healthy in the playoffs and is getting closer to 40.
So to address these trends that are working against the the team, the GM brings in Jock Landale, Josh Okogie, and Damian Lee.
Yeah, that is mission accomplished.
Maybe disaster is too strong of a word. But at best the offseason was insufficient or lackluster.
Montrezl and Schroder were both very realistic, considering what they signed for, and would have solved a number of issues (while possibly contributing to others).ShelC wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:13 amBut I don't think it was for lack of trying or being unaware of the weaknesses. We're not going to trade CP and upgrade that position right now and teams aren't exactly hot for Payne or Shamet to where we could upgrade those spots via trade. For better or worse, we committed ourselves to those guys being part of the core/rotation. Bigger moves like KD and Barnes fell thru. I also don't think guys like Montrezl Harrell or Schroder were realistic options as FAs. So we brought the same group back hoping to make some incremental improvements until something else comes along. This isn't Ryan McDonaugh thinking he solved his roster issues with Isaiah Canaan, Trevor Ariza and Ryan Anderson.INFORMER wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:22 pmIt's not that the Suns needed to make a big move; they just needed to improve on the glaring holes in this roster. And they didn't. The followed up surrendering a 2-0 lead in the NBA finals with surrendering a 2-0 lead to a significantly inferior opponent in the conference semifinals. The player they've placed all their eggs in can't stay healthy in the playoffs and is getting closer to 40.
So to address these trends that are working against the the team, the GM brings in Jock Landale, Josh Okogie, and Damian Lee.
Yeah, that is mission accomplished.
Maybe disaster is too strong of a word. But at best the offseason was insufficient or lackluster.
Interesting how every other team manages to find dance partners each year and we sit in the corner thinking we’re out smarting everyone else
Good find! Sarver out!JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:29 pmMarc Spears says he was told it was Robert Sarver who didn't want to give him the 5th year. Ramona Shelburne says that she talked to people close to DA and DA "thinks this was Robert Sarver's decision." Also, remember that restaurant meeting between Ayton and Sarver a year ago where they were arguing over Ayton's value? I put the ultimate responsibility for (at least the contract-related part of) the relationship souring on Robert Sarver.
Being bipolar is maybe a prerequisite for following this team. To be honest I don’t know how else to survive. I know people who are annoyingly positive about everything and I admire them, but I just can’t get there. But if I always let the rational side of me take over I don’t know why I would even bother following basketball at all, all it ever does is hurt me.
Embrace the pain!pickle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 28, 2022 4:15 pmBeing bipolar is maybe a prerequisite for following this team. To be honest I don’t know how else to survive. I know people who are annoyingly positive about everything and I admire them, but I just can’t get there. But if I always let the rational side of me take over I don’t know why I would even bother following basketball at all, all it ever does is hurt me.