Re: Around the League: Week 11 3/1-3/7
Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:04 pm
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Ok, now I'm sorry I asked.
If he were to never appear in an NBA game again, I'd say that's a little strong, but that wouldn't be a Miami decision. But to get suspended for the rest of the season, I don't know if I'd consider that an egregious punishment.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:37 amThe thing about Meyers Leonard is, he can say he didn't know what that word meant. But if he said it so casually in his gaming stream, he has heard and said it before. He probably hangs out in a circle of guys who casually throw out edgy words like "the N word," or the "F word" for gays, or this "K word" for Jews, without hesitation. And it just seeps into your vocabulary. He probably didn't realize how not-cool it was to say that word in a general context.
I don't want to launch into a whole political argument about cancel culture in the main section. My personal opinion is that you should call people out strongly when they make mistakes or do things that are wrong, but you should give people opportunities to learn and grow. If Leonard will put in the time to learn from this and become a better person, I don't want him to face devastating consequences. For example, I would be disappointed if the Heat cut him or suspended him for the season, or if he had a hard time finding work in the NBA for this.
Sampson was 3-time College Player of the Year though.Cap wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:00 amRalph Sampson is in the HOF.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:14 amSo if Zion only lasts 3-4 seasons before breaking down, but plays at an all-nba level, he can still make the hall or be considered one of the best ever?JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:56 pmYes, but going strictly by how good he was when healthy on the court would put him at a different level than if evaluating off the court issues or what he wasn’t able to do on the court due to missed games/less-than-fully-healthy games.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:06 pmIt isn't a punishment. It is just when you miss a third of your games during your peak, you aren't going to get credit for what you might have done if you could play.
And much like Karl Malone, he isn't going to be on a lot of all-time great lists because of the child molestation issues.
Exactly. Who would expect to keep their job if this happened to them? Any of you? If I heard one of my employees say this, I would go straight to legal and HR advocating for their termination.pickle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:11 pmIf he were to never appear in an NBA game again, I'd say that's a little strong, but that wouldn't be a Miami decision. But to get suspended for the rest of the season, I don't know if I'd consider that an egregious punishment.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:37 amThe thing about Meyers Leonard is, he can say he didn't know what that word meant. But if he said it so casually in his gaming stream, he has heard and said it before. He probably hangs out in a circle of guys who casually throw out edgy words like "the N word," or the "F word" for gays, or this "K word" for Jews, without hesitation. And it just seeps into your vocabulary. He probably didn't realize how not-cool it was to say that word in a general context.
I don't want to launch into a whole political argument about cancel culture in the main section. My personal opinion is that you should call people out strongly when they make mistakes or do things that are wrong, but you should give people opportunities to learn and grow. If Leonard will put in the time to learn from this and become a better person, I don't want him to face devastating consequences. For example, I would be disappointed if the Heat cut him or suspended him for the season, or if he had a hard time finding work in the NBA for this.
Yep, he’s not coming here. Boston or Portland probably. They can give him minutes.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:19 pmIt makes no sense. He wants out of SA assuming to get regular PT. I have no interest in him taking Dario’s minutes as backup 5. He’d be looking at Frank’s role, which I don’t see him being okay with.
Sampson was 3-time CPOY and had 2 kick-ass NBA seasons before starting to break down. If Zion is 1-time CPOY (his only season in college) and has 4 kick-ass NBA seasons before breaking down, isn’t that at least an equal resume?The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:21 pmSampson was 3-time College Player of the Year though.Cap wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:00 amRalph Sampson is in the HOF.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:14 amSo if Zion only lasts 3-4 seasons before breaking down, but plays at an all-nba level, he can still make the hall or be considered one of the best ever?JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:56 pmYes, but going strictly by how good he was when healthy on the court would put him at a different level than if evaluating off the court issues or what he wasn’t able to do on the court due to missed games/less-than-fully-healthy games.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:06 pmIt isn't a punishment. It is just when you miss a third of your games during your peak, you aren't going to get credit for what you might have done if you could play.
And much like Karl Malone, he isn't going to be on a lot of all-time great lists because of the child molestation issues.
Zion doesn't have that kind of resume.
That's probably right. He would certainly have other destinations, though other than the Raptors and Nets I'm not sure he would get a starting role in any other scenario. Would Boston start him over Theis?Split T wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:25 pmYep, he’s not coming here. Boston or Portland probably. They can give him minutes.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:19 pmIt makes no sense. He wants out of SA assuming to get regular PT. I have no interest in him taking Dario’s minutes as backup 5. He’d be looking at Frank’s role, which I don’t see him being okay with.
Probably not, I think his starting days are over.pickle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:45 pmThat's probably right. He would certainly have other destinations, though other than the Raptors and Nets I'm not sure he would get a starting role in any other scenario. Would Boston start him over Theis?Split T wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:25 pmYep, he’s not coming here. Boston or Portland probably. They can give him minutes.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:19 pmIt makes no sense. He wants out of SA assuming to get regular PT. I have no interest in him taking Dario’s minutes as backup 5. He’d be looking at Frank’s role, which I don’t see him being okay with.