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Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:46 am
by Indy
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:40 am
Would you guys be ok with giving Ayton 5/125?
Depends on if he wants to be here, or we are the only option left for him to get paid. I worry about his motor/motivation and that was when he was working for his 2nd contract. Once he gets it, and if he isn't where he wants to be or didn't get paid as much as he thought he should... oof.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:54 am
by Superbone
Indy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:46 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:40 am
Would you guys be ok with giving Ayton 5/125?
Depends on if he wants to be here, or we are the only option left for him to get paid. I worry about his motor/motivation and that was when he was working for his 2nd contract. Once he gets it, and if he isn't where he wants to be or didn't get paid as much as he thought he should... oof.
It'll pay off in a few years when he moves on to figuring out how players get that 3rd contract.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:18 pm
by Mori Chu
Suns front office disappointed after learning that Ayton's desire for a "ring" turns out to be the Elden Ring.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:55 am
by Superbone
From another board. What do you think about this?
ESPN's Trade Machine says this works:
Phoenix gets
Pascal Siakam ($35.4 million next season, contract ends 2024)
Precious Achiuwa (2.8, 2024)
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (1.9, 2023, salary filler)
future first-round pick
Toronto gets
Deandre Ayton (30.9, 2026)
Landry Shamet (9.5, 2026)
Dario Saric (9.2, 2023)
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:57 am
by TOO
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:55 am
From another board. What do you think about this?
ESPN's Trade Machine says this works:
Phoenix gets
Pascal Siakam ($35.4 million next season, contract ends 2024)
Precious Achiuwa (2.8, 2024)
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk (1.9, 2023, salary filler)
future first-round pick
Toronto gets
Deandre Ayton (30.9, 2026)
Landry Shamet (9.5, 2026)
Dario Saric (9.2, 2023)
If the Suns added Siakam and KD, they're going a really long way next year
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:17 am
by Aztec Sunsfan
Siakam, Achiuwa a Future first? No way, unless Jeremy G is working on Toronto FO.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:44 am
by Drewsprocket
Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:54 am
Indy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:46 am
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:40 am
Would you guys be ok with giving Ayton 5/125?
Depends on if he wants to be here, or we are the only option left for him to get paid. I worry about his motor/motivation and that was when he was working for his 2nd contract. Once he gets it, and if he isn't where he wants to be or didn't get paid as much as he thought he should... oof.
It'll pay off in a few years when he moves on to figuring out how players get that 3rd contract.
He couldn’t put it together to earn his first max deal. There won’t be a second.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:00 pm
by Indy
Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:17 am
Siakam, Achiuwa a Future first? No way, unless Jeremy G is working on Toronto FO.
Yeah, there is no way Toronto would do that deal. I would do it in a second and then turn around the assets for KD. Because they would much rather have Siakim than DA.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:04 pm
by INFORMER
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:23 am
First time in awhile Gambo makes a good point. There are just too much talent at the 5 spot to pay a premium for a non-star center. And it would be even dumber for the Suns to pay Ayton given the way they use him.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:13 pm
by Indy
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:04 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:23 am
First time in awhile Gambo makes a good point. There are just too much talent at the 5 spot to pay a premium for a non-star center. And it would be even dumber for the Suns to pay Ayton
given the way they use him.
Do you think they should (or should have) use him differently?
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:22 pm
by INFORMER
Absolutely. You have to maximize the #1 pick in the draft. You can't marginalize him just run the Point Gawd system. You can't put all your eggs in the Chris Paul basket. You have to see if you can get Ayton to the point where he can be an offensive force - that was road to keeping Booker happy in the long-term - give him a running mate that he can play with for the next 6-8 years.
Instead, we asked Ayton to focus on finishing and setting picks. So yeah, he had insane field goal percentages, which made it look like he was getting better, which he wasn't.
And again, Ayton has blame in this too. He isn't exactly working on his game the way Book did in the awful Ryan years.
Both parties have fallen short of what they needed to do to make the most of a pick that should have never happened.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:28 pm
by TOO
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:22 pm
Absolutely. You have to maximize the #1 pick in the draft. You can't marginalize him just run the Point Gawd system. You can't put all your eggs in the Chris Paul basket. You have to see if you can get Ayton to the point where he can be an offensive force - that was road to keeping Booker happy in the long-term - give him a running mate that he can play with for the next 6-8 years.
Instead, we asked Ayton to focus on finishing and setting picks. So yeah, he had insane field goal percentages, which made it look like he was getting better, which he wasn't.
And again, Ayton has blame in this too. He isn't exactly working on his game the way Book did in the awful Ryan years.
Both parties have fallen short of what they needed to do to make the most of a pick that should have never happened.
Great post.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:36 pm
by The Bobster
INFORMER wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:22 pm
Absolutely. You have to maximize the #1 pick in the draft. You can't marginalize him just run the Point Gawd system. You can't put all your eggs in the Chris Paul basket. You have to see if you can get Ayton to the point where he can be an offensive force - that was road to keeping Booker happy in the long-term - give him a running mate that he can play with for the next 6-8 years.
Instead, we asked Ayton to focus on finishing and setting picks. So yeah, he had insane field goal percentages, which made it look like he was getting better, which he wasn't.
And again, Ayton has blame in this too. He isn't exactly working on his game the way Book did in the awful Ryan years.
Both parties have fallen short of what they needed to do to make the most of a pick that should have never happened.
I agree with all except for the part about Ayton not working on his game - we've seen great improvement in his defense and his shooting since he entered the league.
But as we've seen, putting all your eggs in the Chris Paul basket at his age isn't the wisest thing to do. And this team (and especially their coach) weren't their strongest at adjusting on the fly.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:38 pm
by INFORMER
To be clear, I wasn't saying Ayton hasn't worked on his game at all - I was comparing him to the time Book put in early in his career.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:46 pm
by JeremyG
It is pretty unfair to essentially tell Ayton to go out and prove you're a max player and we'll pay you next summer, and then not give him the opportunity to prove he's a max player last season (at least in the Suns' eyes in terms of offensive production).
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:05 pm
by specialsauce
If the KD deal falls through or if we end up
Including Mikal but not DA , I would offer DA somewhere between the Mikal Bridges and Jarrett Allen deal to stay.
It’s clear he’s not demanding a max deal on the market. It’s spoken. If he’s not happy with it, he can sign the QO and be an unrestricted next year or we can trade him at the deadline
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 4:09 pm
by Mori Chu
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:46 pm
It is pretty unfair to essentially tell Ayton to go out and prove you're a max player and we'll pay you next summer, and then not give him the opportunity to prove he's a max player last season (at least in the Suns' eyes in terms of offensive production).
IMO only a shitty boss tells you to get out there and prove what you're worth. If the company/boss knows what they're talking about, they'll be able to see what you're worth and they'll value you. If you have to keep bending over backwards to "prove" yourself to them, they aren't listening, or they are just making excuses so they can blame you for when they mistreat you.
As for Ayton, I think he's become underrated a bit, and I think if he goes to the right team, he will really blossom. If we lose him, I hope he finds a good situation.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:08 am
by JeremyG
Suns are about to let their first and only #1 overall pick walk for nothing.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:19 am
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:08 am
Suns are about to let their first and only #1 overall pick walk for nothing.
Stop it! No they're not. They're not THAT dumb.
Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:28 am
by Split T
I wonder if we’re using Gambo right now…get the Nets scared that Ayton is about to be off the table and force them into a deal…or at least that’s what I’m hoping haha