you have your sources, I have mine.specialsauce wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:55 pmYou’ve been reported for conspiraciesIndy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:54 amAll of that, and Book hurting his hammy (again). That really taxed the rest of the team during that Pels series. Then the dallas series was basically trading blowouts depending on how many 3s the teams would hit (until Covid).Cap wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:12 amYou think the problem was exhaustion from the regular season? I don’t. We clinched the #1 seed, relaxed, and then couldn’t flip the switch back on when the games started to count again. Maybe we’d have been better off taking the final weeks of the season more seriously.
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Yes that’s a good point. I guess it would be better to say on top of all the things going on on the court, did we additionally have some sort of physical ailment impacting one or more key players, or was it just on the court issues.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 12:00 pmAll of those things can be true at the same time. It could be that Paul was spent after having to carry the team to beat the Pels. And that Monty's lack of flexibility in defensive schemes let Dallas attack us more. And that Book's inability to see over double teams and make the right pass screwed us. And that Jones' inability to add someone to the team that can dribble/create offense cost us. And that there was covid running through the team near the end of that series.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:16 amThe truth is none of us actually know. Some have chosen to assume nothing was wrong and the suns/cp3 just choked and lost. Others have assumed that something was up(injury/covid outbreak). Like everyone else, I don’t know. What I do know is the team didn’t remotely resemble the team I watched all year(especially CP3). That leads me to think something was wrong physically(and there seems to be some smoke that this is the case). But I can’t rule out that CP3 just wore down, there was dysfunction in the locker room, and Dallas just figured us out.
We like to point at one thing because it is easy to do, but it is almost never one thing.
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Indy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:53 amAnd every Devin Booker team ever.INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:43 pmYeah, I don't buy that. Paul missed a huge portion of the last quarter of the season; he basically was forced to rest. None of the other players on the team should be wearing down in the second round.
Honestly, the Suns did what about 10 other Chris Paul teams have done in the past.
And every Suns team ever.
Pinning this on Chris Paul seems really weird considering we wouldn't have beat the Pelicans without him being amazing.
Both of you are running with what I said.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:58 amDebate had descended to the point that, if you dislike the player, everything wrong can be traced to him, but if you like him, he can’t do no wrong, it must be the coach, or the teammates, or the solar flares. That and waiting for the right moment to engage, as in keep quiet when the player/team is rolling, and just start the finger pointing when things are not going right.
I'm not pinning it on Chris Paul. Honestly, I blame James Jones more than Chris Paul. I think there are several factors that led to the Suns demise last season.
My only point was that we've seen stuff like this before. It was an unexpected collapse, and it was quite epic, but so many are running for these fantastical theories or ridiculous excuses to try to the explain what they consider inexplicable, when there have been a number of collapses and failures to meet expectation in Chris Paul's career alone. And even in those prior cases, I wouldn't pin it all on him (Doc Rivers poor coaching, Blake Griffin going Casper, etc.)
At the same time, I'm not trying to take the Monty Williams route and just write it off as a bad night. It was more than that, and I wish James Jones felt the same.
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Poor roster construction and failure to identify the lacking areas from the finals run to last year has more to do with the team falling on it's face than anything else. That's all on JJ. Same with this garbage off-season.
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INFORMER wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:27 pmIndy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 9:53 amAnd every Devin Booker team ever.INFORMER wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:43 pmYeah, I don't buy that. Paul missed a huge portion of the last quarter of the season; he basically was forced to rest. None of the other players on the team should be wearing down in the second round.
Honestly, the Suns did what about 10 other Chris Paul teams have done in the past.
And every Suns team ever.
Pinning this on Chris Paul seems really weird considering we wouldn't have beat the Pelicans without him being amazing.Both of you are running with what I said.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 10:58 amDebate had descended to the point that, if you dislike the player, everything wrong can be traced to him, but if you like him, he can’t do no wrong, it must be the coach, or the teammates, or the solar flares. That and waiting for the right moment to engage, as in keep quiet when the player/team is rolling, and just start the finger pointing when things are not going right.
I'm not pinning it on Chris Paul. Honestly, I blame James Jones more than Chris Paul. I think there are several factors that led to the Suns demise last season.
My only point was that we've seen stuff like this before. It was an unexpected collapse, and it was quite epic, but so many are running for these fantastical theories or ridiculous excuses to try to the explain what they consider inexplicable, when there have been a number of collapses and failures to meet expectation in Chris Paul's career alone. And even in those prior cases, I wouldn't pin it all on him (Doc Rivers poor coaching, Blake Griffin going Casper, etc.)
At the same time, I'm not trying to take the Monty Williams route and just write it off as a bad night. It was more than that, and I wish James Jones felt the same.
Uh, my bad for failing to grasp all of this deep insight from the phrase:
“Honestly, the Suns did what about 10 other Chris Paul teams have done in the past.“
But actually, I agree with many of it.
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You don't have to grasp any deep insight from it; just don't jump to conclusions.
Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
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Trendon Watford. Please and thank you.
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Are we having fun yet?
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
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"Be Legendary."
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"Be Legendary."
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Tuesday can’t come soon enough. I’ve had my fill of Ayton Monty and Crowder discussions.
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Isn't in Wednesday?
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Yep, pickle will just have to suffer one more day.
"Too little, too late, too unbothered."
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Do you mean the season starts Wednesday or that the Suns first game is on Wednesday? Dammit.
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Suns first game
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Ah ok. Well at least there will be nba games so maybe we can all get more distracted than these current discussions.
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Who's going to tell buddy that the season starting will not change this
There's a possibility things might actually be worst
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You might be right, but at least I can have other things to do than to refresh this board looking for any content to consume only to get more of these discussions.