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I wouldn't mind that deal. I'm not really sure what to make of these various potential forwards who have been mentioned as possible trade acquisitions for us. I like Barnes, but what about Cam Johnson? Would Barnes start and CamJ come off the bench? Aren't we about to give CamJ a big contract? Then what? Should we be searching for more of a backup, lower-priced forward? Or is that Torrey Craig?Split T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:52 amI’m really hoping we can get back into the Crowder for Barnes discussions. I think it makes sense for both teams. We’d have to include an additional asset, but Kings problems are more defense at this point and I think Crowder gives them more of a presence than Barnes. We need a more versatile wing and that’s Barnes.
Unless for whatever reason we think Durant is still an option, I’d move Crowder and our 1st for Barnes.
That's where I'm confused a bit too and I'm wondering if we're backing ourselves into a corner with CamJ. We love Mikal and Cam and want them to be core pieces, but they're both SFs. CamJ can play PF most of the time in today's game, but I think he puts a ceiling on us in the starting lineup because of his size, not to mention the fact that he's another guy not great at creating offense.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:21 amI wouldn't mind that deal. I'm not really sure what to make of these various potential forwards who have been mentioned as possible trade acquisitions for us. I like Barnes, but what about Cam Johnson? Would Barnes start and CamJ come off the bench? Aren't we about to give CamJ a big contract? Then what? Should we be searching for more of a backup, lower-priced forward? Or is that Torrey Craig?Split T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:52 amI’m really hoping we can get back into the Crowder for Barnes discussions. I think it makes sense for both teams. We’d have to include an additional asset, but Kings problems are more defense at this point and I think Crowder gives them more of a presence than Barnes. We need a more versatile wing and that’s Barnes.
Unless for whatever reason we think Durant is still an option, I’d move Crowder and our 1st for Barnes.
Yep, but that’s why I like Barnes. He may not be the dirt worker that Jae is, but he’s a good defensive player that has size and brings a little on ball ability. Not to mention he’s a very good shooter. He’s a career 38% shooter from 3 and has been at 40, 38, 39, and 39 the last 4 years. He’s had an elite TS% above .620 each of the last two years. He’s been as high as 3.5 assists per game and has been over 2 each of the last 3 years. He shoots a high percentage and actually gets to the ft line as well. He took 5.4 a game last year which is more than anyone on our team and his free throw rate was essentially double that of any regular player on our team.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:30 pmCrowder is a great fit because we need a guy who does the dirty work on the defensive end. It's just that with him and Bridges both not being able to create their own shot it puts a lot of pressure on Booker and Paul to do it for everybody.
Good to see the Suns seeing value on 1st rounders, even late ones, that recent trend of multiples picks going out is a recipe for disaster. Specially giving up a 1st for an expiring contract player, is not good value.
How much would you think it would take to get Collins from Atlanta?Split T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:41 pmYep, but that’s why I like Barnes. He may not be the dirt worker that Jae is, but he’s a good defensive player that has size and brings a little on ball ability. Not to mention he’s a very good shooter. He’s a career 38% shooter from 3 and has been at 40, 38, 39, and 39 the last 4 years. He’s had an elite TS% above .620 each of the last two years. He’s been as high as 3.5 assists per game and has been over 2 each of the last 3 years. He shoots a high percentage and actually gets to the ft line as well. He took 5.4 a game last year which is more than anyone on our team and his free throw rate was essentially double that of any regular player on our team.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:30 pmCrowder is a great fit because we need a guy who does the dirty work on the defensive end. It's just that with him and Bridges both not being able to create their own shot it puts a lot of pressure on Booker and Paul to do it for everybody.
I’d still want to upgrade the backup guard spot, but upgrading from Crowder to Barnes could actually go a long ways. Assuming at least small steps forward from our young core(Booker, Bridges, Johnson, Ayton) and CP3 just not falling off a cliff, I think we’d still keep title hopes alive by making this move.
Crowder/Craig/2023 1st for Barnes, let’s get it done!
Crowder/Shamet and 2 1sts might do the trick. Replenish Atlanta’s picks after the DeJounte trade. I think that’s a bit steep for my liking though. I just don’t see Atlanta doing it for just 1 pick though. If we had another tradeable player with value we could get it done. Saric would be the closest to that but I don’t think he’s enough. I’d definitely do Crowder/Saric/1st for Collins, but Atlanta probably needs more.Aztec Sunsfan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:14 pmHow much would you think it would take to get Collins from Atlanta?Split T wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:41 pmYep, but that’s why I like Barnes. He may not be the dirt worker that Jae is, but he’s a good defensive player that has size and brings a little on ball ability. Not to mention he’s a very good shooter. He’s a career 38% shooter from 3 and has been at 40, 38, 39, and 39 the last 4 years. He’s had an elite TS% above .620 each of the last two years. He’s been as high as 3.5 assists per game and has been over 2 each of the last 3 years. He shoots a high percentage and actually gets to the ft line as well. He took 5.4 a game last year which is more than anyone on our team and his free throw rate was essentially double that of any regular player on our team.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:30 pmCrowder is a great fit because we need a guy who does the dirty work on the defensive end. It's just that with him and Bridges both not being able to create their own shot it puts a lot of pressure on Booker and Paul to do it for everybody.
I’d still want to upgrade the backup guard spot, but upgrading from Crowder to Barnes could actually go a long ways. Assuming at least small steps forward from our young core(Booker, Bridges, Johnson, Ayton) and CP3 just not falling off a cliff, I think we’d still keep title hopes alive by making this move.
Crowder/Craig/2023 1st for Barnes, let’s get it done!
Well, more like Bridges, Crowder and Ayton are all incapable of creating their own shot.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:30 pmCrowder is a great fit because we need a guy who does the dirty work on the defensive end. It's just that with him and Bridges both not being able to create their own shot it puts a lot of pressure on Booker and Paul to do it for everybody.
