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True dat.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:43 amYeah, but if you only include the years they've been in the NBA, then the Suns are the oldest NBA franchise without a championship.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:58 pmI’m not having anything. Got it from an article. I don’t care about ABA Championships. I’m only talking about NBA championships.BKinSJC wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:01 pmYou're having it a little bit both ways here, 'Bone. If you're going to count the ABA franchises as existing since the start of the ABA, then you should include their championships in that league - Indiana won three times, in 1970, '72 and '73, and the Nets in '74 and '76. The Nuggets also made the finals in '76.Superbone wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:47 pmI’m watching Untold Malice at the Palace on Netflix and I realized that the Indiana Pacers have never won a championship. This made me want to know all the teams that haven’t won it all. There are 11 active teams that fit the bill. Here they are from oldest to newest:
Pacers (1967)
Nets (1967)
Nuggets (1967)
Suns (1968)
Jazz (1974)
Clippers (1984)
Hornets (1988)
Timberwolves (1989)
Magic (1989)
Grizzlies (1995)
Pelicans (2002)
4 of the 5 oldest teams have all lost in the Finals. From that group, only the Nuggets haven’t made it past the conference finals.
Seems to me like you should either start all those teams in the year they joined the NBA (for the '76-77 season), or remove the Pacers and Nets from the teams that haven't won championships.
I went back and edited the post and added the source.
The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:20 pmNuggets - oldest team without a title
Suns - oldest NBA team without a title
Kings - most years since last title (1951)
Clippers - Oldest team never to play in the Finals
I was hoping you would come along and help us out, Bobster!The Bobster wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:34 pmAnd then there's this record keeping mess -
Hornets-Pelicans 1988 to 2021
Bobcats-Hornets 2004 to 2021
No matter what the league tries to tell you.
Hmm. I doubt he'll get anywhere with that. I don't think it's a crime to be a crappy agent. Sucks that Paul didn't treat him properly, though. I do think he got some really bad career / contract advice.carey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:53 amHave you guys heard about Noel’s lawsuit against Rich Paul? https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/08/25/ ... n-earnings
Oh -- I think he's got a pretty good case. Multiple instances of this:Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:21 amHmm. I doubt he'll get anywhere with that. I don't think it's a crime to be a crappy agent. Sucks that Paul didn't treat him properly, though. I do think he got some really bad career / contract advice.carey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:53 amHave you guys heard about Noel’s lawsuit against Rich Paul? https://www.si.com/.amp/nba/2021/08/25/ ... n-earnings
Why am I not surprised that Rich Paul has been pulling this shit. He's trying to build power in the league and using his players as pawns. I believe that a policy of never signing any Rich Paul client is a good one for the Suns.Taking Paul's advice, again, Noel declined the player option on his second year but later signed another one-year league-minimum deal with OKC in July 2019. According to the lawsuit, the 76ers and other league teams attempted to contact Paul to discuss deals of possibly signing Noel but Paul did not return their phone calls.
I agree that there's a lot of bad/shady conduct in there. But is any of it illegal? Is an agent required to pass along calls or offers to his client? I would assume that it is frowned upon but not actually a crime. But I'm no expert in the area.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:32 amOh -- I think he's got a pretty good case. Multiple instances of this:
I don't think he is alleging a crime, right? Just breach of contract (or not fulfilling contractual obligations)?Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:19 amI agree that there's a lot of bad/shady conduct in there. But is any of it illegal? Is an agent required to pass along calls or offers to his client? I would assume that it is frowned upon but not actually a crime. But I'm no expert in the area.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:32 amOh -- I think he's got a pretty good case. Multiple instances of this:
This is just more of a narrative that other fan bases and media are pushing that the Suns run was illegitimate and they actually weren't good at all. No one thought that the Suns were going to be a top 8, let alone a top 5 team, and by them calling the Suns an illegitimate Finals team, along with 4 straight losses to the Bucks is just confirmation bias on their part.Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:23 pmNBA posted a video of the "Best moments from 2020-21 season". The only Suns sighting is a split second view of Chris Paul dribbling up court.
https://www.nba.com/watch/video/what-a-year