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Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:00 am
by JeremyG
Split T wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:09 am
I guess I’m not the only one who thinks CP3 could be waived and still play here for less than 30 million. Video also gives some info that maybe Ayton isn’t leaving…

I said 65% chance of Ayton staying, with the Vogel hire I would now put it at about 75%. Like I said before, they aren’t giving him away just to get rid of him. A team would have to blow them away with an offer.

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:14 am
by JeremyG
If Ayton is staying, I hope Ishbia will invest in upgrading the big man assistant. Shaq? ;) Or at least someone better than what DA has had so far.

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:53 am
by specialsauce
JeremyG wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:14 am
If Ayton is staying, I hope Ishbia will invest in upgrading the big man assistant. Shaq? ;) Or at least someone better than what DA has had so far.
DAs problem is not his coach. It’s his lack of testicular fortitude and any desire whatsoever to be great. He has all the tools. He lacks the want. Can’t coach that.

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:00 pm
by JeremyG
Remember when everyone said that Ayton is definitely not Ishbia's type of player?

Zach Lowe: "I've heard Mat Ishbia has a fondness for Deandre Ayton. I'm not sure how true that is, but I heard he likes his game."

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:18 pm
by Split T
They want it out there that they might be willing to keep him…drive the price up

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:36 pm
by Superbone
Kryptonic wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:32 am
But you can’t renegotiate to make a players salary lower…. Dumb.
Weird that the Player's Association doesn't want you lowering players' salaries. ;)

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:26 pm
by JeremyG
Split T wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:18 pm
They want it out there that they might be willing to keep him…drive the price up
James Jones has always liked him. Sarver soured on him when he wanted a max extension and DA blamed the contract problems on Sarver, and has had no issues with the organization overall (he's happy in Phoenix and reiterated that at the exit interview last month). Monty did not like him.

Now we still have Jones, and we have some indications that Ishbia and Vogel like him. I would not bet on him being traded. Booker may or may not prefer he's traded, but it appears Ishbia is not letting Booker run the team. Oh and DA still has a no-trade clause until mid-July.

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:36 pm
by Split T
We’ll see…I’m most worried about how the players feel. Ayton never seemed to be giving it his all last season.

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:51 pm
by INFORMER
So basically our 2024 championship hopes rest on JeremyG being right about Ayton and Chris Paul staying healthy.

"CAN'T WAIT!."

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:57 pm
by Kryptonic
INFORMER wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:51 pm
So basically our 2024 championship hopes rest on JeremyG being right about Ayton and Chris Paul staying healthy.

"CAN'T WAIT!."
Even a broken clock is right twice a day…. Hope he’s right 😉

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:58 pm
by Superbone
INFORMER wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:51 pm
So basically our 2024 championship hopes rest on JeremyG being right about Ayton and Chris Paul staying healthy.

"CAN'T WAIT!."
:D

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:00 pm
by Superbone
JeremyG wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:26 pm
Split T wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:18 pm
They want it out there that they might be willing to keep him…drive the price up
James Jones has always liked him. Sarver soured on him when he wanted a max extension and DA blamed the contract problems on Sarver, and has had no issues with the organization overall (he's happy in Phoenix and reiterated that at the exit interview last month). Monty did not like him.

Now we still have Jones, and we have some indications that Ishbia and Vogel like him. I would not bet on him being traded. Booker may or may not prefer he's traded, but it appears Ishbia is not letting Booker run the team. Oh and DA still has a no-trade clause until mid-July.
I'll be the happiest Suns fan there is if they can turn Ayton back into 2021 Ayton. Ah, back when the future seemed so positive...

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:20 pm
by Mori Chu
INFORMER wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:51 pm
So basically our 2024 championship hopes rest on JeremyG being right about Ayton and Chris Paul staying healthy.

"CAN'T WAIT!."
Probably the largest chance of this outcome would be if CP3 suffered his yearly injury earlier in the season, like in December 2023, and then sat until April and came back super fresh for the playoffs. If he plays all season, he'll be worn down and will tear something during the playoffs.

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:26 pm
by BigLewy
Mori Chu wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:20 pm
INFORMER wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:51 pm
So basically our 2024 championship hopes rest on JeremyG being right about Ayton and Chris Paul staying healthy.

"CAN'T WAIT!."
Probably the largest chance of this outcome would be if CP3 suffered his yearly injury earlier in the season, like in December 2023, and then sat until April and came back super fresh for the playoffs. If he plays all season, he'll be worn down and will tear something during the playoffs.
He did that last year with the broken thumb and still wore down in the playoffs. Can't say I'm confident in his ability to hold up at all anymore.

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:11 am
by JeremyG
INFORMER wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:51 pm
So basically our 2024 championship hopes rest on JeremyG being right about Ayton and Chris Paul staying healthy.

"CAN'T WAIT!."
The second part would scare me. If we keep Paul, we definitely need to add another capable point guard. Still hoping for a CP3 trade, but it's sounding more likely that we could keep him around.

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 11:09 am
by Split T
I want Shake Milton

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:27 pm
by JeremyG
Mat Ishbia on Burns & Gambo, regarding Paul and Ayton:
"You know, honestly, James Jones handles all that stuff. I'm gonna be involved and get his opinions on it. We have not had a bunch of conversations around that stuff right now. First off, Chris Paul is an ultimate winner, one of the best point guards ever to play. Deandre Ayton, is an up-and-coming star--he's already a star, but could be a superstar. Like I love those guys and I think very highly of them. Now with that being said, we have to have all of those conversations and understand the overall construct of our team with our head coach, with our organization, and all pieces, and that's not just those guys, everybody through the organization. But we haven't gone through those conversations yet. What we're focusing on right now is getting the best coaching staff around."

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:56 pm
by TOO
What I read here, the only people that I can guarantee won't be moved are KD/Booker. Everyone else is being evaluated.

Wish I had more faith in the FO to maximize a return in any sort of deal.

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:34 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Deandre Ayton, is an up-and-coming star (maybe)--he's already a star (false), but could be a superstar (someone PLEASE offer superstar value for him).

Re: How Would You Rebuild the Suns?

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 3:05 pm
by JeremyG
Perhaps Ishbia's hesitation in his answer was due more to CP3 than Ayton.