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Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:10 am**

Cap wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:28 pm

Indy wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:01 pm
* Our best lineup is a +22.9, but has only played 19:21 minutes all season (1-11-25-12-22)
* This lineup out rebounds our opponent by a pretty big margin, surpisingly
14 rebounds per 100 possessions actually isn’t a very big margin when you’ve only played 19 minutes.

That group played a bit last night together, and are up to ~24 minutes. They are a net +5.6 total rebounds. If that was the team result, we would be top 3 in rebound differential.

I realize these are all small sample sizes since we are only a quarter into the season, and we are talking about 5-man line ups. But it is encouraging.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:19 am**

Split T wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:31 pm

Indy wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:01 pm
SO I was looking at our 5-man lineups and found some of this interesting.

* We only have 8 five-man lineups that we have used for at least 1total minutes this year.
* Of those 8, all but 2 have a positive +/-
* But the most common (by far with 99:30 total minutes this year) is a -30.8 points/100 possessions.
* That line up is our normal starting lineup of 0-1-3-12-22

* Canaan shows up in both good and bad lineups

* Our best lineup is a +22.9, but has only played 19:21 minutes all season (1-11-25-12-22)
* This lineup out rebounds our opponent by a pretty big margin, surpisingly

Booker, Bridges, and Ayton apart of the top 4 lineups

Not only that, if you just look at our top 20 3-man lineups:

Bridges is in all but one of the lineups that outscore their opponents.
Bridges isn't in any of the ones that get outscored by their opponents.

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Rk                          Lineup     MP   PTS
1      D. AytonM. BridgesT. Warren 183:02 +11.5
2     D. BookerM. BridgesT. Warren 160:47 +11.5
3      D. AytonD. BookerM. Bridges 190:40 +11.3
4      T. ArizaD. BookerM. Bridges 120:26  +4.3
5       T. ArizaD. AytonM. Bridges 146:51  +4.1
6     R. AndersonD. AytonI. Canaan 131:00  +2.7
7    R. AndersonD. BookerI. Canaan 122:23  -1.0
8      R. AndersonT. ArizaD. Ayton 145:00  -1.9
9     R. AndersonT. ArizaD. Booker 122:25  -2.3
10       T. ArizaD. AytonD. Booker 347:06  -6.6
11      D. AytonD. BookerI. Canaan 282:57  -9.9
12      D. AytonD. BookerT. Warren 283:28 -10.5
13    R. AndersonT. ArizaI. Canaan 135:59 -10.6
14       T. ArizaD. AytonI. Canaan 281:09 -11.8
15      T. ArizaD. BookerI. Canaan 253:37 -14.8
16     D. BookerI. CanaanT. Warren 191:45 -16.1
17      T. ArizaD. BookerT. Warren 230:45 -16.5
18       T. ArizaD. AytonT. Warren 232:35 -16.9
19      D. AytonI. CanaanT. Warren 184:29 -17.2
20      T. ArizaI. CanaanT. Warren 140:11 -24.0

If you go to our top 20 2-man lineups:
Ariza is in our bottom 4 lineups (all under -10 points/100 possessions), isn't in a single positive lineup, and the only lineup he is in where he isn't nearly -10 points is when he plays with Bridges and make them about even (-0.2).

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Rk                 Lineup     MP   PTS
1     D. BookerM. Bridges 234:54 +10.4
2     M. BridgesT. Warren 262:32  +9.6
3      D. AytonM. Bridges 282:01  +6.8
4     R. AndersonD. Ayton 183:38  +0.5
5      T. ArizaM. Bridges 191:29  -0.2
6       D. AytonD. Booker 465:18  -3.6
7    R. AndersonI. Canaan 158:25  -5.9
8      D. AytonJ. Jackson 186:01  -6.8
9     J. JacksonT. Warren 190:36  -7.1
10      D. AytonI. Canaan 367:22  -8.3
11       T. ArizaD. Ayton 456:38  -8.9
12      T. ArizaD. Booker 429:00  -9.1
13     D. BookerT. Warren 384:05  -9.3
14     I. CanaanT. Warren 257:06  -9.3
15      D. AytonT. Warren 375:59  -9.6
16     D. BookerI. Canaan 359:25 -10.2
17    R. AndersonT. Ariza 180:46 -13.1
18      T. ArizaI. Canaan 354:24 -16.5
19     T. ArizaJ. Jackson 179:43 -17.1
20      T. ArizaT. Warren 302:28 -18.8

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:36 am**

azsportsfan wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:27 pm

In2ition wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:42 pm

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1067197377155452932
Come on Igor, what are you looking at?
What is he supposed to do? I am sure I would prefer Okobo/Melton, but there may be a reason they aren't playing.

There wasn't a reason to play Anderson over Warren.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:38 am**

carey wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:50 pm

https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/1067125879703306241

I love that he looks so special statistically, but I'd love it more if he took some chances on offense and missed the occasional tough shot.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:43 am**

Cap wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:50 pm

Xylus wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:31 pm
Kevin Durant is coming to Phoenix.
On New Year’s Eve, and again on February 8th.

Even when he's being funny, Cap is all factual.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:36 pm**

I liked Juan Evans as a 2nd round gamble, but we've got 2 of those already. Rather than throw a bunch of bad PGs at the situation, I would rather develop the projects we have.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:42 pm**

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:01 pm

SO I was looking at our 5-man lineups and found some of this interesting.

* We only have 8 five-man lineups that we have used for at least 1total minutes this year.
* Of those 8, all but 2 have a positive +/-
* But the most common (by far with 99:30 total minutes this year) is a -30.8 points/100 possessions.
* That line up is our normal starting lineup of 0-1-3-12-22

* Canaan shows up in both good and bad lineups

* Our best lineup is a +22.9, but has only played 19:21 minutes all season (1-11-25-12-22)
* This lineup out rebounds our opponent by a pretty big margin, surpisingly

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Rk                                            Lineup    MP   PTS    FG   FGA   FG%   3P   3PA   3P%  eFG%    FT   FTA   FT%  ORB  ORB%   DRB  DRB%  TRB  TRB%   AST   STL  BLK   TOV   PF
1    D. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesJ. CrawfordT. Warren 19:21 +22.9  +9.2 -15.5 +.174 +2.4  -5.8 +.200 +.195  +2.1  -0.7 +.091 -0.3  +6.7 +13.9  +6.7 +6.5 +14.3  +7.0  +0.2 -4.9  +4.9 +7.8
2       T. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesT. Warren 47:49 +16.2  +8.4  +2.3 +.081 +5.6  +4.9 +.133 +.111  -6.2 -12.2 +.218 -5.0 -10.9   0.0 -10.9 -2.9  -7.3  -0.8  -0.7 +3.1  -5.3 +4.9
3     T. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesJ. Crawford 15:28  +5.5  +4.7  -2.6 +.074 +5.7  -1.2 +.154 +.111  -9.7 -25.4 +.250 +2.8 +14.6 +13.2 +14.6 +7.7 +21.7  +8.3 -11.9 -6.1 +14.7 +3.1
4      D. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesI. CanaanT. Warren 35:03  +4.4  +0.6  +5.2 -.030 +4.3 +10.0 -.012 -.008  -1.1  +0.3 -.067 -5.5 -19.8 -11.4 -19.8 -8.3 -26.1 +10.1  +8.1 +1.4  -6.6 +0.7
5      R. AndersonT. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerI. Canaan 85:56  +3.6  -2.4  -8.8 +.020 +4.1  -2.5 +.152 +.048  +4.3  +4.5 +.058 -5.6  -8.3  +4.6  -8.3 +0.3  +0.7  -3.2  -4.6 -5.7  +7.5 -2.1
6     R. AndersonT. ArizaD. AytonI. CanaanJ. Jackson 24:30  +0.3  +1.7  -4.9 +.050 -3.9  -3.3 -.141 +.029  +0.7  +7.2 -.222 -5.9 -11.6  +0.7 -11.6 -2.1  -5.0  +5.5  -2.6 -4.3  +7.1 -1.0
7       T. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesI. Canaan 15:48 -12.1 -17.9 -17.7 -.121 -1.8 -11.0 +.033 -.118 +25.4 +25.4  .000 +0.8  +1.1  -1.6  +1.1 +1.6  +3.7 -13.5 -10.8 -3.9 +11.2 -4.8
8        T. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerI. CanaanT. Warren 99:31 -30.8 -12.7  -3.1 -.121 -3.2  +5.0 -.163 -.135  -2.2  -0.6 -.086 -2.7 -10.7 -11.3 -10.7 -7.0 -15.8  -5.9  -4.6 -1.5  +4.6 +1.0

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Generated 11/27/2018.

1 minutes? I assume that's a typo.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:29 pm**

Canaan released, per Shams

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:40 pm**

pg incoming...

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:41 pm**

I said that Igor was forcing Jones hand on this, since he wasn't going to not play Canaan. I'm actually pretty happy about this. Canaan didn't bring anything at all if he wasn't hitting his shots.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:41 pm**

Xylus wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:29 pm
Canaan released, per Shams

You made my day (or night) man, thanks...

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:53 pm**

O_Gardino wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:42 pm

Indy wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:01 pm

SO I was looking at our 5-man lineups and found some of this interesting.

* We only have 8 five-man lineups that we have used for at least 1total minutes this year.
* Of those 8, all but 2 have a positive +/-
* But the most common (by far with 99:30 total minutes this year) is a -30.8 points/100 possessions.
* That line up is our normal starting lineup of 0-1-3-12-22

* Canaan shows up in both good and bad lineups

* Our best lineup is a +22.9, but has only played 19:21 minutes all season (1-11-25-12-22)
* This lineup out rebounds our opponent by a pretty big margin, surpisingly

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Rk                                            Lineup    MP   PTS    FG   FGA   FG%   3P   3PA   3P%  eFG%    FT   FTA   FT%  ORB  ORB%   DRB  DRB%  TRB  TRB%   AST   STL  BLK   TOV   PF
1    D. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesJ. CrawfordT. Warren 19:21 +22.9  +9.2 -15.5 +.174 +2.4  -5.8 +.200 +.195  +2.1  -0.7 +.091 -0.3  +6.7 +13.9  +6.7 +6.5 +14.3  +7.0  +0.2 -4.9  +4.9 +7.8
2       T. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesT. Warren 47:49 +16.2  +8.4  +2.3 +.081 +5.6  +4.9 +.133 +.111  -6.2 -12.2 +.218 -5.0 -10.9   0.0 -10.9 -2.9  -7.3  -0.8  -0.7 +3.1  -5.3 +4.9
3     T. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesJ. Crawford 15:28  +5.5  +4.7  -2.6 +.074 +5.7  -1.2 +.154 +.111  -9.7 -25.4 +.250 +2.8 +14.6 +13.2 +14.6 +7.7 +21.7  +8.3 -11.9 -6.1 +14.7 +3.1
4      D. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesI. CanaanT. Warren 35:03  +4.4  +0.6  +5.2 -.030 +4.3 +10.0 -.012 -.008  -1.1  +0.3 -.067 -5.5 -19.8 -11.4 -19.8 -8.3 -26.1 +10.1  +8.1 +1.4  -6.6 +0.7
5      R. AndersonT. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerI. Canaan 85:56  +3.6  -2.4  -8.8 +.020 +4.1  -2.5 +.152 +.048  +4.3  +4.5 +.058 -5.6  -8.3  +4.6  -8.3 +0.3  +0.7  -3.2  -4.6 -5.7  +7.5 -2.1
6     R. AndersonT. ArizaD. AytonI. CanaanJ. Jackson 24:30  +0.3  +1.7  -4.9 +.050 -3.9  -3.3 -.141 +.029  +0.7  +7.2 -.222 -5.9 -11.6  +0.7 -11.6 -2.1  -5.0  +5.5  -2.6 -4.3  +7.1 -1.0
7       T. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerM. BridgesI. Canaan 15:48 -12.1 -17.9 -17.7 -.121 -1.8 -11.0 +.033 -.118 +25.4 +25.4  .000 +0.8  +1.1  -1.6  +1.1 +1.6  +3.7 -13.5 -10.8 -3.9 +11.2 -4.8
8        T. ArizaD. AytonD. BookerI. CanaanT. Warren 99:31 -30.8 -12.7  -3.1 -.121 -3.2  +5.0 -.163 -.135  -2.2  -0.6 -.086 -2.7 -10.7 -11.3 -10.7 -7.0 -15.8  -5.9  -4.6 -1.5  +4.6 +1.0

Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 11/27/2018.

1 minutes? I assume that's a typo.

yeah--should have been 15.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:13 pm**

Are we the only team in the league just carrying 13?

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:52 pm**

O_Gardino wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:38 am

carey wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:50 pm

https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/1067125879703306241

I love that he looks so special statistically, but I'd love it more if he took some chances on offense and missed the occasional tough shot.

Can't wait till he starts making an impact on the court because his numbers seem really empty.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:20 pm**

iLLmatic wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:52 pm

O_Gardino wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:38 am

carey wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:50 pm

https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/1067125879703306241

I love that he looks so special statistically, but I'd love it more if he took some chances on offense and missed the occasional tough shot.
Can't wait till he starts making an impact on the court because his numbers seem really empty.

You can say that about every player we have.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:24 pm**

Xylus wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:29 pm
Canaan released, per Shams

I'm surprised this news didn't break the message board.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:26 pm**

In2ition wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:41 pm
I said that Igor was forcing Jones hand on this, since he wasn't going to not play Canaan.

I think you're right. At least that is what this feels like. If this is really the case, I am actually impressed with Jones.

Posted: **Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:01 am**

Some trades we should consider on 12/15:

Ariza to Indiana for Corey Joseph and Kyle O'Quinn
Ariza and Daniels to Indiana for Tyreke Evans and Kyle O'Quinn
Ariza to Philly for Chandler and McConnell
Ariza to Portland for Aminu and Seth Curry (and another piece from a 3rd team to make the salaries work)

Posted: **Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:44 am**

Indy wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:20 pm

iLLmatic wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:52 pm

O_Gardino wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:38 am

carey wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:50 pm

https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/1067125879703306241

I love that he looks so special statistically, but I'd love it more if he took some chances on offense and missed the occasional tough shot.
Can't wait till he starts making an impact on the court because his numbers seem really empty.
You can say that about every player we have.

It's an issue that he had in college as well. His #s always looked good but the team not so much. Funny because for Doncic, it was the opposite where he always made the team good but his individual #s weren't all that special.

Posted: **Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:46 am**

Cap wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:50 pm

Xylus wrote: ↑
Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:31 pm
Kevin Durant is coming to Phoenix.
On New Year’s Eve, and again on February 8th.

Wow the Suns play the Warriors on New Year's eve? NBA really doing the Warriors all the favors they can...yeah let em finish out the year with a bang!

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