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Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:06 am
by Ring_Wanted
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:07 am
by Ring_Wanted
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:32 am
by Phoenix219
BRING HOME NASH AND MATRIX!!!!!!!!
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:40 am
by DrSublime
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:48 am
by SDC
iLLmatic wrote:INFORMER wrote:I'm not sure why everyone is so stunned that he's demanding the max. I've been operating under that assumption for awhile now, and all signs have pointed to him demanding that.
Same here, I always thought it was common knowledge that this is what Bledsoe and his agent were going to demand. If I recall, the Suns attempted to hammer out an extension during the middle of the season but the two sides could not reach an agreement so the Suns decided to wait till the summer to see if he'd get a match.
parsons got a max offer from dallas. hayward got max offers from cleveland and charlotte. bledsoe got a max offer from milwaukee.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:17 am
by ShelC
I don't recall seeing anything about Bledsoe getting a max offer from Milwaukee. If so, why wouldn't he sign it? Even if he didn't want to be in Milwaukee, take the money and demand a trade later.
I wasn't operating under the notion that he wanted 80mil. The suns were obviously, and really played it perfectly by drafting Ennis and signing Thomas. Those moves were clearly a reaction to those contract demands to take away leverage from Bledsoe. Great chess move there by McD.
If we can get Randle and a pick, do it. It's not that I'm a huge Randle guy, but he'd give us the rebounding and toughness at the 4 spot we lack. And if they want to pay him 80, God Bless.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:43 am
by Split T
I don't think Bledsoe ever got an offer sheet from Milwaukee and they never had max cap space either.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:44 am
by ShelC
All I've found is that they were "mulling" an offer. Now they've picked up Marshall.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:48 am
by Ring_Wanted
ShelC wrote:I wasn't operating under the notion that he wanted 80mil.
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If we can get Randle and a pick, do it. It's not that I'm a huge Randle guy, but he'd give us the rebounding and toughness at the 4 spot we lack. And if they want to pay him 80, God Bless.
Nobody but the Suns can give him 5 years and 80M. That's one of the biggest changes since 2011.
If he is signed and traded it is 4 years.
If he plays out the year under the QO and then signs with another team it is 4 years.
If he gets traded under the QO (always with his consent) it is 4 years.
That's why we'd be bidding against ourselves, why he won't (shouldn't) get that money no matter what he does, and why nobody was entertaining this option at all.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:15 am
by INFORMER
Bledsoe can receive a 5-year deal in a sign and trade.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:17 am
by INFORMER
ShelC wrote:
If we can get Randle and a pick, do it. It's not that I'm a huge Randle guy, but he'd give us the rebounding and toughness at the 4 spot we lack.
I'm not high on Randle either, but I would definitely do that deal. I'd try to flip Randle though.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:24 am
by In2ition
INFORMER wrote:ShelC wrote:
If we can get Randle and a pick, do it. It's not that I'm a huge Randle guy, but he'd give us the rebounding and toughness at the 4 spot we lack.
I'm not high on Randle either, but I would definitely do that deal. I'd try to flip Randle though.
This.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:29 am
by Ring_Wanted
INFORMER wrote:Bledsoe can receive a 5-year deal in a sign and trade.
Word of INFORMER, I assume?
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:29 am
by MightyMoog
Randle would be amazing. We're not winning the ship anytime soon. Even if we'd have gotten Love. I see us on the same course as philly. But somehow we're managing to do it without sucking ass. I could just imagine a frontline of Len, randle and Warren in a few years. Plus we'd have another 3 picks next year to work with in this deal. And yeah I'd take Nash back over hill, just to show those Laker fans that they're medical staff sucks as they watch play another full healthy season here.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:30 am
by INFORMER
Wally_West wrote:I think people really under estimating how much of a better team we are when both of them are in the line-up and adding IT2 in the mix makes us one of the best guard line-ups in the league IMO.
I'll say this: I think a 2-point guard lineup is effective. And I think the team suffered from a talent deficiency last year that Eric Bledsoe helped to alleviate. So I don't look at the difference in record from when Bledsoe was in the lineup versus when he was out as establishing some unique value in Eric Bledsoe.
I think you don't get the most out of Thomas or Dragic with Bledsoe on the team. And I believe that the Thomas-Dragic combo can be ridiculously potent. It's not a combo that has to start, but it is a combo I would like to see be used extensively. I'm reminded of the damage Dallas was able to do against Miami and the Lakers with JJ Barea paired with one of Jason Kidd or Jason Terry. And Thomas is far superior to Barea.
I see Bledsoe as more or less an extraneous element and a luxury. I don't think he's an established cornerstone of the team or franchise, and the Suns acquired for peanuts. So I think that's why I'm not hard-pressed to get an All-Star or a stud for him in a trade. I don't think his departure leaves us with a void, so I'm content just to trade him for something I think the Suns can use.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:39 am
by ShelC
You can do a 5 year deal on a S&T, but a FA can't leave their team and sign a 5 year deal, only a 4 year.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:42 am
by Ring_Wanted
ShelC wrote:You can do a 5 year deal on a S&T, but a FA can't leave their team and sign a 5 year deal, only a 4 year.
You can't. Sign and trades are now restricted so the receiving team can only get at best the same contract it could offer in the first place. 4 years, 4.5% raises.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:45 am
by INFORMER
Ring_Wanted wrote:INFORMER wrote:Bledsoe can receive a 5-year deal in a sign and trade.
Word of INFORMER, I assume?
No, I was mistaken. I was still thinking about the old CBA where a player could get a full Bird contract by agreeing to a sign an trade.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:05 am
by INFORMER
ShelC wrote: The suns were obviously, and really played it perfectly by drafting Ennis and signing Thomas. Those moves were clearly a reaction to those contract demands to take away leverage from Bledsoe. Great chess move there by McD.
I get the whole leverage angle that you're selling, but there was nothing perfect or great about drafting Tyler Ennis at 18. And honestly, signing a point guard who actually has a full season of work and good health and who averaged 20 ppg was all the leverage that he needed.
Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:11 am
by ShelC
Maybe Ennis at 18 wasn't perfect, but the strategy was there. Like or dislike Ennis, but McD drafted a PG, coveted by another team no less which could be a factor down the road. He obviously didn't know he'd land Thomas, so he drafted a PG and solidified the position even more by adding a proven player (Thomas) later on. If he knew he'd get Thomas or had Thomas on the roster, I doubt Ennis would've been the choice.