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Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:15 am
by Superbone
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:30 am
I really like TJ Warren and was sticking up for him when folks were bagging on him earlier this season. He has been one of our most reliable scorers. But I have to say, he's now been out for an extended period, and it doesn't seem to have set us back at all. If anything we play better having more balanced SFs out there like Oubre and Bridges. I think I've come around to the opinion that TJ is easily replaceable and that we should find a way to flip him for a more important asset like a PG or PF or whatever.
Yup.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:00 pm
by AmareIsGod
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:16 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:31 am
but but but he blocks a shot occasionally
And has a lot of fire and has the guts to hit game winners. Bad time to pick on him, guys. He's just going to continue to get better and you'll be sorry after he's gone. You guys have no vision. But it's tough seeing through those turd colored glasses.
LOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.
Dude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.
It's becoming a broken record. sauce is stuck in his dislike for JJ and it will never change. He's not the only one at times that is unable to move off of his opinion. I've been more than happy with JJ at times now that Warren has been out. He's proved me wrong (JJ) and I'm happy to see his improvement.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:06 pm
by In2ition
In sauce's defense, the odds favor his opinion at this point. If he sticks to it, he can claim he knew it all along and everyone waiting for him to turn the corner will just look bad in the end.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:16 pm
by Superbone
In2ition wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:06 pm
In sauce's defense, the odds favor his opinion at this point. If he sticks to it, he can claim he knew it all along and everyone waiting for him to turn the corner will just look bad in the end.
Of course. It is the easy pessimistic viewpoint. Let's just give up on the guy who is making improvement before our very eyes and will continue to get better as he gets stronger. Let him have his success for somebody else. Let's not develop our players and stick with them.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:55 pm
by In2ition
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:16 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:06 pm
In sauce's defense, the odds favor his opinion at this point. If he sticks to it, he can claim he knew it all along and everyone waiting for him to turn the corner will just look bad in the end.
Of course. It is the easy pessimistic viewpoint. Let's just give up on the guy who is making improvement before our very eyes and will continue to get better as he gets stronger. Let him have his success for somebody else. Let's not develop our players and stick with them.
I get what you're saying. I was a little disappointed that Jackson was the pick, but I'm much more hopeful of him lately.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:07 pm
by Split T
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:23 pm
by AmareIsGod
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:07 pm
"Still trash..." - specialsauce.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:36 pm
by Mori Chu
I'm just sad that I somehow lost the title of "Most pessimistic about Josh Jackson." I can't even get my nickname for him, "The Net Negative," to stick!
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:41 pm
by Superbone
In2ition wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:55 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:16 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:06 pm
In sauce's defense, the odds favor his opinion at this point. If he sticks to it, he can claim he knew it all along and everyone waiting for him to turn the corner will just look bad in the end.
Of course. It is the easy pessimistic viewpoint. Let's just give up on the guy who is making improvement before our very eyes and will continue to get better as he gets stronger. Let him have his success for somebody else. Let's not develop our players and stick with them.
I get what you're saying. I was a little disappointed that Jackson was the pick, but I'm much more hopeful of him lately.
Pretty crazy the difference between pick 3 and 4, huh? Too bad TOO's dream didn't play out. I've also been on record saying Fox should have been the pick. But that was in hindsight. But it's all water under the bridge now. We either need to develop him or trade him for need.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:47 pm
by jonh
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:23 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:07 pm
"Still trash..." - specialsauce.
Out of how many attempts is that stat based on?
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:48 pm
by Superbone
jonh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:47 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:23 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:07 pm
"Still trash..." - specialsauce.
Out of how many attempts is that stat based on?
All of them.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:23 pm
by Split T
jonh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:47 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:23 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:07 pm
"Still trash..." - specialsauce.
Out of how many attempts is that stat based on?
Not sure on the catch and shoot specifically, but he’s 13/27 on all 3’s in March
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:30 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:23 pm
jonh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:47 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:23 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:07 pm
"Still trash..." - specialsauce.
Out of how many attempts is that stat based on?
Not sure on the catch and shoot specifically, but he’s 13/27 on all 3’s in March
This small sample manufactured stats stuff is annoying.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:51 pm
by Cap
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:30 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:23 pm
jonh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:47 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:23 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:07 pm
"Still trash..." - specialsauce.
Out of how many attempts is that stat based on?
Not sure on the catch and shoot specifically, but he’s 13/27 on all 3’s in March
This small sample manufactured stats stuff is annoying.
10/19 is 52.6%. 11/21 is 52.4%. No way to hit 52.5% on less than 40 attempts.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:40 pm
by Split T
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:30 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:23 pm
jonh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:47 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:23 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:07 pm
"Still trash..." - specialsauce.
Out of how many attempts is that stat based on?
Not sure on the catch and shoot specifically, but he’s 13/27 on all 3’s in March
This small sample manufactured stats stuff is annoying.
The point isn’t that Jackson is a great 3 point shooter now. It’s still a good sign that he’s shot well this month. 27 is small, but it’s not nothing.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:52 pm
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:40 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:30 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:23 pm
jonh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:47 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:23 pm
"Still trash..." - specialsauce.
Out of how many attempts is that stat based on?
Not sure on the catch and shoot specifically, but he’s 13/27 on all 3’s in March
This small sample manufactured stats stuff is annoying.
The point isn’t that Jackson is a great 3 point shooter now. It’s still a good sign that he’s shot well this month. 27 is small, but it’s not nothing.
It might be annoying because it doesn't fit the turd in a uniform theory.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:07 pm
by Cap
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:52 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:40 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:30 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:23 pm
jonh wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:47 pm
Out of how many attempts is that stat based on?
Not sure on the catch and shoot specifically, but he’s 13/27 on all 3’s in March
This small sample manufactured stats stuff is annoying.
The point isn’t that Jackson is a great 3 point shooter now. It’s still a good sign that he’s shot well this month. 27 is small, but it’s not nothing.
It might be annoying because it doesn't fit the turd in a uniform theory.
It’s also a little annoying that it’s mathematically impossible for it to be accurate.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:26 pm
by Split T
Cap wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:07 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:52 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:40 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:30 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:23 pm
Not sure on the catch and shoot specifically, but he’s 13/27 on all 3’s in March
This small sample manufactured stats stuff is annoying.
The point isn’t that Jackson is a great 3 point shooter now. It’s still a good sign that he’s shot well this month. 27 is small, but it’s not nothing.
It might be annoying because it doesn't fit the turd in a uniform theory.
It’s also a little annoying that it’s mathematically impossible for it to be accurate.
So the tweet was off by .1%...hardly a big deal. It’s 52.4% by the way
https://stats.nba.com/player/1628367/sh ... on&Month=6
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:15 pm
by specialsauce
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:16 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:31 am
but but but he blocks a shot occasionally
And has a lot of fire and has the guts to hit game winners. Bad time to pick on him, guys. He's just going to continue to get better and you'll be sorry after he's gone. You guys have no vision. But it's tough seeing through those turd colored glasses.
LOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.
Dude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.
heh. Did you read the article? He’s statistically one of the WORST players in the league. Not bad, one of thethe worst. It’s hard to argue with that.
I’m not worried about a popularity contest. Dude is out there playing with 2 IQ making bad decisions at every turn on both ends of the court with no signs of improvement in decision making, and he makes one three pointer and it’s as if he’s “figuring it out.”
I get it Bone. You’re an eternal optimist. You probably didn’t want to give up on Chriss, Len, Goodwin, Bender. You probably liked Mike James, saw value in most of our trash that we’ve taken way too long to dump. But you can’t sell a turd as a legit prospect. He’s not bad. He’s historically bad.
Re: Game Day: Suns (16-53) @ Rockets (42-26), Fri 3/15/19
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:32 pm
by Cap
specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:15 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:13 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:52 am
Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:16 am
iLLmatic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:31 am
but but but he blocks a shot occasionally
And has a lot of fire and has the guts to hit game winners. Bad time to pick on him, guys. He's just going to continue to get better and you'll be sorry after he's gone. You guys have no vision. But it's tough seeing through those turd colored glasses.
LOL. That was so predictable. Jake Voskuhl hit a game winner once.
Dude. Speaking of predictable. You go after him every single game and it gets old. He's not nearly as bad as you say he is and others have agreed with me if you've been paying attention.
heh. Did you read the article? He’s statistically one of the WORST players in the league. Not bad, one of thethe worst. It’s hard to argue with that.
I’m not worried about a popularity contest. Dude is out there playing with 2 IQ making bad decisions at every turn on both ends of the court with no signs of improvement in decision making, and he makes one three pointer and it’s as if he’s “figuring it out.”
I get it Bone. You’re an eternal optimist. You probably didn’t want to give up on Chriss, Len, Goodwin, Bender. You probably liked Mike James, saw value in most of our trash that we’ve taken way too long to dump. But you can’t sell a turd as a legit prospect. He’s not bad. He’s historically bad.
Worst individual seasons of the past 50 years, by WS:
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Tota Per Shoo
Rk Player Season Age Tm Lg WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS%
1 Fred Hilton 1971-72 24 BUF NBA -2.1 61 22.1 5.1 13.0 5.1 13.0 1.5 2.0 2.6 1.9 2.4 11.6 .389 .389 .389 .738 .417
2 Emmanuel Mudiay 2015-16 19 DEN NBA -2.1 68 66 30.4 4.8 13.3 3.8 9.9 1.1 3.4 2.1 3.1 0.5 2.9 3.4 5.5 1.0 0.5 3.2 2.1 12.8 .364 .379 .319 .404 .670 .437
3 Jim Jackson 1992-93 22 DAL NBA -1.6 28 28 33.5 6.6 16.6 5.8 14.0 0.8 2.6 2.4 3.3 1.5 2.9 4.4 4.7 1.4 0.4 4.1 2.9 16.3 .395 .415 .288 .417 .739 .451
4 Kenny McIntosh 1972-73 24 TOT NBA -1.6 59 19.3 1.9 5.8 1.9 5.8 0.7 1.1 3.9 0.9 1.7 4.6 .337 .337 .337 .597 .364
5 Sharone Wright 1996-97 24 TOR NBA -1.6 60 28 16.8 2.7 6.7 2.7 6.7 0.0 0.0 1.1 2.2 1.3 1.8 3.1 0.5 0.3 0.8 1.6 2.4 6.5 .400 .400 .000 .400 .511 .423
6 Michael Beasley 2012-13 24 PHO NBA -1.5 75 20 20.7 4.1 10.2 3.5 8.3 0.6 1.9 1.3 1.7 0.7 3.1 3.8 1.5 0.4 0.5 1.9 1.4 10.1 .405 .426 .313 .434 .746 .462
7 Josh Jackson 2018-19 21 PHO NBA -1.5 71 25 24.2 4.2 10.2 3.4 7.6 0.8 2.7 1.8 2.7 0.9 3.3 4.1 2.3 0.9 0.7 2.2 2.5 11.0 .410 .443 .317 .452 .674 .484
8 Adam Morrison 2006-07 22 CHA NBA -1.5 78 23 29.8 4.6 12.1 3.4 8.8 1.1 3.3 1.5 2.2 0.7 2.3 2.9 2.1 0.4 0.1 1.7 2.3 11.8 .376 .391 .337 .422 .710 .450
9 Winford Boynes 1980-81 23 DAL NBA -1.4 44 17.2 2.8 7.1 2.8 7.1 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.3 0.5 1.2 1.7 0.8 0.5 0.4 1.6 1.8 6.5 .387 .387 .387 .818 .426
10 Art Harris 1969-70 23 TOT NBA -1.4 81 19.2 3.5 8.9 3.5 8.9 1.1 1.7 2.0 2.9 2.7 8.1 .394 .394 .394 .642 .419
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Worst careers, same period:
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Tota Per Shoo
Rk Player From To Tm Lg WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS%
1 Fred Hilton 1972 1973 BUF NBA -3.5 120 17.3 4.2 10.7 4.2 10.7 1.1 1.5 2.1 1.6 2.0 9.4 .388 .388 .388 .749 .414
2 Lancaster Gordon 1985 1988 LAC NBA -2.7 201 6 12.8 2.3 6.0 2.2 5.6 0.1 0.4 0.8 1.0 0.6 0.7 1.3 1.5 0.6 0.2 1.2 1.3 5.6 .391 .400 .271 .400 .767 .433
3 Josh Jackson 2018 2019 PHO NBA -2.3 148 60 24.8 4.6 11.2 3.9 8.5 0.8 2.7 2.1 3.2 1.1 3.3 4.4 1.9 1.0 0.6 2.1 2.7 12.1 .414 .455 .288 .450 .650 .482
4 Bird Averitt 1977 1978 TOT NBA -1.8 130 17.1 3.3 8.5 3.3 8.5 1.7 2.4 0.3 1.0 1.2 2.5 0.5 0.1 2.6 1.9 8.3 .392 .392 .392 .713 .438
5 Frank Ntilikina 2018 2019 NYK NBA -1.7 119 25 21.7 2.3 6.5 1.6 4.3 0.7 2.2 0.6 0.8 0.4 1.8 2.2 3.1 0.8 0.3 1.6 2.4 5.9 .356 .382 .307 .409 .729 .431
6 Mardy Collins 2007 2010 TOT NBA -1.6 189 31 14.7 1.6 4.1 1.4 3.4 0.2 0.7 0.6 1.0 0.5 1.3 1.8 1.7 0.6 0.1 1.1 1.4 3.9 .380 .396 .299 .405 .599 .431
7 Rodrick Rhodes 1998 2000 TOT NBA -1.6 72 14 17.1 1.7 5.0 1.7 4.8 0.0 0.2 1.8 2.8 0.5 0.7 1.2 1.7 1.0 0.2 1.7 2.0 5.3 .347 .354 .200 .351 .620 .422
8 Nikoloz Tskitishvili 2003 2006 TOT NBA -1.6 172 16 11.3 1.1 3.6 0.9 2.6 0.3 1.1 0.5 0.7 0.6 1.2 1.8 0.7 0.3 0.3 0.7 1.3 2.9 .304 .332 .235 .338 .730 .375
9 Kenny McIntosh 1972 1975 TOT NBA -1.5 177 20.9 2.3 6.3 2.3 6.3 0.7 1.3 1.6 3.5 3.9 1.0 0.7 0.4 1.9 5.3 .361 .361 .361 .581 .386
10 Gary Zeller 1971 1972 BAL NBA -1.5 78 8.9 1.5 4.4 1.5 4.4 0.5 0.8 1.2 0.5 1.3 3.5 .340 .340 .340 .587 .365
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