Re: SUNS 2014: Free Agency 2 (new)
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:11 am
I still see the suns playing the short game and the long game. Let's say they get Randle. You now have your future starting 5 in Len, randle, warren, goodwin and ennis.
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IT2-Dragic backcourt is very dangerous on offense but also terrible defensively, and you want to play it extensively? One of the Suns' strengths last year was guarding the three point line. That's gone if you change Bledsoe for Thomas.INFORMER wrote:I believe that the Thomas-Dragic combo can be ridiculously potent. It's not a combo that has to start, but it is a combo I would like to see be used extensively.
Well first, the Raptors approached the Suns regarding Ennis, and the Suns said they weren't interested in dealing him. Secondly, I know you're a big proponent of the whole "Lon Babby had the Hedo-Gortat deal planned from the very beginning!" theory, but that's a terrible way of general managing. We're talking about the 18th pick in a great and deep draft. If the best way Ryan could come up with to use it is to draft a player that another team might deal for further down the line, then we're in trouble.ShelC wrote:Like or dislike Ennis, but McD drafted a PG, coveted by another team no less which could be a factor down the road.
I'm getting this weird sense of deja vu...He obviously didn't know he'd land Thomas, so he drafted a PG and solidified the position even more by adding a proven player (Thomas) later on. If he knew he'd get Thomas or had Thomas on the roster, I doubt Ennis would've been the choice.
This sounds like more of an assumption than actually something based on facts and analysis. In fact it seems that many people are just thinking "Thomas is too small to defend."Ring_Wanted wrote: IT2-Dragic backcourt is very dangerous on offense but also terrible defensively
I read speculation about how the Suns were asking for Terrence Ross but the Raptors rejected it.INFORMER wrote: Well first, the Raptors approached the Suns regarding Ennis, and the Suns said they weren't interested in dealing him.
Ring_Wanted wrote:https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/490893102719459328
Please. Thomas is not the worst defender when he is into it (one of the games against Dragic, for instance) but his size hurts him. That's not is biggest flaw, though. I'm aware it's far from that simple. Watch games from last season and you won't have trouble spotting terrible defensive awareness and lack of agression. For facts and analysis, synergysport has him ranked 216th overall on defense. NBA.com rates him O/D 104.9 vs 104.8. In comparison, Dragic is 110.3 vs 103.; Bledsoe, 105.4 vs 100.5. BBall reference rates gives him a DWS of 1.3. and a 111 defensive rating, which puts him 419 overall and close to the likes of Foye, Terry or Claderon, Kendall Marshall. Bledsoe was #174, Goran #346.INFORMER wrote:This sounds like more of an assumption than actually something based on facts and analysis. In fact it seems that many people are just thinking "Thomas is too small to defend."Ring_Wanted wrote: IT2-Dragic backcourt is very dangerous on offense but also terrible defensively
Thomas was fine last season defending point guards, and the general consensus on this board is that Dragic does well defending 2-guaards. So I'm not seeing how putting them together equals terrible defense.
He did, 100%. You think all that happened by accident? It was actually good GMing, surprisingly, from that group.I know you're a big proponent of the whole "Lon Babby had the Hedo-Gortat deal planned from the very beginning!"
So the rumor about TRoss is wrong, but what you read about us drafting Ennis to keep him is right? Of course we'd say that after we get rejected on a trade. You don't want Ennis feeling like just a pawn that we really don't want. And you've always been a proponent of acquiring assets, so why not acquire an asset that you know other teams will covet?I heard that too. But I did read from either Sam Amick or one of the Toronto beat guys that said the Suns told Toronto they drafted Ennis to keep him.
On the other hand, his PER per 48 minutes was 21.2. Point guards playing against him averaged 14.5. Additionally, the Kings gave up 108.6 per 100 possessions. When he was off the court, they gave up 112.9.Ring_Wanted wrote:Please. Thomas is not the worst defender when he is into it (one of the games against Dragic, for instance) but his size hurts him. That's not is biggest flaw, though. I'm aware it's far from that simple. Watch games from last season and you won't have trouble spotting terrible defensive awareness and lack of agression. For facts and analysis, synergysport has him ranked 216th overall on defense. NBA.com rates him O/D 104.9 vs 104.8. In comparison, Dragic is 110.3 vs 103.; Bledsoe, 105.4 vs 100.5. BBall reference rates gives him a DWS of 1.3. and a 111 defensive rating, which puts him 419 overall and close to the likes of Foye, Terry or Claderon, Kendall Marshall. Bledsoe was #174, Goran #346.INFORMER wrote:This sounds like more of an assumption than actually something based on facts and analysis. In fact it seems that many people are just thinking "Thomas is too small to defend."Ring_Wanted wrote: IT2-Dragic backcourt is very dangerous on offense but also terrible defensively
Thomas was fine last season defending point guards, and the general consensus on this board is that Dragic does well defending 2-guaards. So I'm not seeing how putting them together equals terrible defense.
So he was fine last season defending guards?
Not necessarily. I just remember the keeping Ennis one seemed more definitive.ShelC wrote: So the rumor about TRoss is wrong, but what you read about us drafting Ennis to keep him is right?
What I read was tweeted during the first round, IIRC. It wasn't like it was the next day or something. The Ennis pick was made and someone tweeted that the pick has to be on the move. Then a little later the tweet was refuted, saying the Suns want Ennis. If the whole point was to move Ennis, I don't think there would be an attempt, a rejection, and spin from the Suns front office in that short a window.Of course we'd say that after we get rejected on a trade. You don't want Ennis feeling like just a pawn that we really don't want.
Because it isn't the best use of the specific resource in question. I don't look at the 18th pick in 2014 draft and say to myself, "Hey, let's draft a player we don't need so that we can maybe get something good for him down the line." The best use of that 18th pick was for the best player that could provide the most help for the Suns IMO.And you've always been a proponent of acquiring assets, so why not acquire an asset that you know other teams will covet?
I think the Suns wanted Hedo Turkoglu and they traded for him.ShelC wrote:He did, 100%. You think all that happened by accident? It was actually good GMing, surprisingly, from that group.I know you're a big proponent of the whole "Lon Babby had the Hedo-Gortat deal planned from the very beginning!"
Yeah, like the two other guard the Kings had, right? Vasquez and McCollum had an even worse defensive rating per bballref. 114 and 112, respectively, which is a huge factor if you are using on/off stats.INFORMER wrote:On the other hand, his PER per 48 minutes was 21.2. Point guards playing against him averaged 14.5. Additionally, the Kings gave up 108.6 per 100 possessions. When he was off the court, they gave up 112.9.
So in comparing his defensive advanced stats to other players, I would keep in mind the team he played for.
I think what Smith is missing is that players of size, like forwards and centers, are much more in demand than guards. Haywood and Parsons got overpaid because they have size and can shoot. I like Bledsoe a lot, but to get the max, you need to be like a top 3 guard and show you can stay healthy over a whole season.Sunsfan4life wrote:Is anyone watching first take right now? I have off Mondays in the summer, so I am listening to Stephen A. Smith. Just said if Gordon Hayward got 4/63 Eric Bledsoe absolutely deserves the Max. Says the Suns by signing Isaiah Thomas don't want to pay him, he wants the Lakers to make a S&T For him...says he absolutely is worth it.
Oh and also said if he was Flip Saunders and the Wolves and was offered Andrew Wiggins,Anthony Bennet and a 1st he absolutely WOULD NOT do it.
Wow...not sure how much more you can get for love then that
He's sucha tool...like a gigantic off the base tool....