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Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:32 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:35 am
Why are the Wiz trading Hachimura? I guess they have a logjam at the 4 with him, Porzingis, and Kuzma? But wouldn't you think they would just let 1-2 of the other guys leave and/or trade them instead?
Do they really want to keep Porzingis instead?
He's easily the second best Center in the East this season. There's an argument he's been third best in the whole league depending on how you feel about Sabonis and Davis.
Edit: Forgot about Bam. Move the Zinger down a spot, IMO. Point is, he's been great.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:35 pm
by In2ition
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:29 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:49 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:59 am
Jae + Cam J + protected 1st for OG.
I'm willing to do Jae + Shamet + protected 1st for OG.
Masai Ujiri would block both of your numbers.
Why? Is OG his son?
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:37 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:35 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:29 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:49 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:59 am
Jae + Cam J + protected 1st for OG.
I'm willing to do Jae + Shamet + protected 1st for OG.
Masai Ujiri would block both of your numbers.
Why? Is OG his son?
Not sure it would matter.
OG is really good and I think they have him valued at an All-Star level.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:01 pm
by Drewsprocket
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:44 pm
That's worse than starting Cam J there.
OG is bigger than Jae and can defend the 4, better defender. Plays way better offensively than Cam J.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:03 pm
by In2ition
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:37 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:35 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:29 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:49 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:59 am
Jae + Cam J + protected 1st for OG.
I'm willing to do Jae + Shamet + protected 1st for OG.
Masai Ujiri would block both of your numbers.
Why? Is OG his son?
Not sure it would matter.
OG is really good and I think they have him valued at an All-Star level.
Really? That's kind of wild, since he's never even had a league average or above PER in his career. Can JJ value Shamet, Jae and the protected 1st as potential All-Star levels too?
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:09 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:03 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:37 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:35 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:29 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:49 pm
I'm willing to do Jae + Shamet + protected 1st for OG.
Masai Ujiri would block both of your numbers.
Why? Is OG his son?
Not sure it would matter.
OG is really good and I think they have him valued at an All-Star level.
Really? That's kind of wild, since he's never even had a league average or above PER in his career. Can JJ value Shamet, Jae and the protected 1st as potential All-Star levels too?
He's a lock for 1st team All-Defense if he remains healthy.
Think about it like this. How would you react to Toronto offering Thaddeus Young, Malachi Flynn and a protected 1st round pick for Mikal Bridges?
That's basically what you're offering for OG.
I’ll also add that PER isn’t accurately capturing his impact because Nurse runs his players into the ground.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:45 pm
by In2ition
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:09 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:03 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:37 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:35 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 3:29 pm
Masai Ujiri would block both of your numbers.
Why? Is OG his son?
Not sure it would matter.
OG is really good and I think they have him valued at an All-Star level.
Really? That's kind of wild, since he's never even had a league average or above PER in his career. Can JJ value Shamet, Jae and the protected 1st as potential All-Star levels too?
He's a lock for 1st team All-Defense if he remains healthy.
Think about it like this. How would you react to Toronto offering Thaddeus Young, Malachi Flynn and a protected 1st round pick for Mikal Bridges?
That's basically what you're offering for OG.
I’ll also add that PER isn’t accurately capturing his impact because Nurse runs his players into the ground.
It's a compelling argument, but OG has played in 20 less games in 1 more year than Mikal, and Mikal has had a year where he was above average PER. I agree that PER doesn't most accurately capture impact though. Also, Mikal has played more minutes than OG this season too, but we're not talking about Monty running his players into the ground, so I don't know how that computes to help OG.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:48 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
It's a waste of time to split hairs over who is better between Mikal and OG, but that's my point, they're very similar in talent level so neither will be traded for spare parts.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:54 pm
by In2ition
You're right. I'm sure that OG isn't even on the table unless you can offer something that they can't refuse. He's valued in Toronto, probably in the same way that Mikal is in Phoenix.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:34 pm
by ShelC
Heat are hot for Jae. Supposedly have a standing offer of DRob.
The Heat have also had ongoing interest in Suns forward Jae Crowder, who is sitting out the season as he awaits a trade.
“They have a standing offer to the Suns, as I understand it,” one Eastern Conference executive told Heavy Sports. “Phoenix wants to bring things closer to the deadline, to see if someone gets desperate, to see if they could do better or get Miami to add a pick. The Heat are going to do something big, and adding Crowder is probably the starting point, like the least thing they would do.”
The Suns earlier rejected an offer of Robinson for Crowder, and that is not likely to have changed. Martin, then, would be the most likely candidate to head to Phoenix, and center Dewayne Dedmon could be added to make the salaries work and keep Miami under the luxury tax.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:37 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
The Heat have a standing offer to deal Duncan Robinson to any team in the league who will take him.
I'd rather have Rui than Caleb Martin and Dedmon. But I suppose Washington also wants draft capital with Crowder.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:53 pm
by Drewsprocket
Lol. Heat are hot for getting rid of that shit contract.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:17 pm
by Superbone
Yeah, how nice of them to offer us a player that they can't even play and has a huge contract. Real sweethearts.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:30 pm
by JeremyG
I've wanted Dewayne Dedmon as our backup center for years.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:32 pm
by JeremyG
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:01 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:44 pm
That's worse than starting Cam J there.
OG is bigger than Jae and can defend the 4, better defender. Plays way better offensively than Cam J.
All 3 of them are undersized at the 4. If I'm replacing Cam I would want a bigger PF.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:44 pm
by TOO
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:32 pm
Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 4:01 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:44 pm
That's worse than starting Cam J there.
OG is bigger than Jae and can defend the 4, better defender. Plays way better offensively than Cam J.
All 3 of them are undersized at the 4. If I'm replacing Cam I would want a bigger PF.
Why? There are very few PF left that bang in the paint. C/PF is a dead position in this nba.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:45 pm
by Mori Chu
TOO wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:44 pm
Why? There are very few PF left that bang in the paint. C/PF is a dead position in this nba.
Bangers are rare, yes. But PF/C dead?
Embiid
Jokic
Giannis
Durant
Zion
Landale
Dominant bigs still exist.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:57 pm
by Split T
Not sure this guy has any credibility but has Vandy and Bogdonavic coming to Phoenix
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:03 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
That deal would shut up a lot of people.
So I don’t believe it.
Re: Jae Crowder trade request
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:09 pm
by Wally_West
Yeah deal would be to lit for us. Not happening
