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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:56 pm
by The Bobster
So, here's my question - does anyone here really think Booker is an All-Star?
To me, I think he's clearly behind Curry, Lillard, Harden and Westbrook, and probably behind Holiday, Conley, Fox, (a healthy) Paul and DeRozan.
So I see him as somewhere between 7th and 10th best guard in the WC. Any thoughts?
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:39 pm
by carey
Yes. Have you seen his numbers since he's come back healthy? They are elite. 29.3 points 8 assists and 4.4 rebounds.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:49 pm
by ShelC
I don't really care about All-Star teams or votes but I would put Booker just behind that first group or on the cusp and ahead of the 2nd group.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:23 pm
by Split T
The truth is no one is getting into the all star game on a 9-29 team. If you switched booker and fox and booker had Sacramento on the edge of the playoffs, he’d be a no brainer all star selection with his numbers.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:36 pm
by Mori Chu
The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:56 pm
So, here's my question - does anyone here really think Booker is an All-Star?
To me, I think he's clearly behind Curry, Lillard, Harden and Westbrook, and probably behind Holiday, Conley, Fox, (a healthy) Paul and DeRozan.
So I see him as somewhere between 7th and 10th best guard in the WC. Any thoughts?
I think Booker is better than most of that latter group: Holiday, Conley, Fox, Paul and DeRozan. But as others have said, our team record is really bad and that will be used against him. Once we start winning, he'll make the All-Star team right away, even if his individual numbers are no better.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:36 am
by TOO
I think Booker is probably ahead of the latter group as well.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:30 pm
by Cap
Old school time. Back when we were discussing these things on Usenet, I used to refer to Doug Steele’s Cumulative Tendex scores. Well, Doug’s still around and doing his thing, and this is how CT picks the All-Stars.
East starters: Antetokounmpo, Griffin, Embiid, Simmons, Wall
East reserves: Leonard, LaVine, Vucevic, Irving, Walker, Drummond, Lowry
West starters: James, Durant, Davis, Harden, Westbrook
West reserves: George, Randle, Jokic, Curry, Holiday, Towns, Booker
Honorable mention*: Capela, Gobert, Ayton, Jordan, Doncic, DeRozan, Beal, Lillard, Fox
* CT of at least 25.00 and top ten at position.
Source:
http://dougstats.com/18-19CumulativeTendex.html
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:52 pm
by Split T
Not bad, I’d replace wall, LaVine, and Drummond with Beal, Oladipo, and Butler? Maybe Middleton.
For the west, no chance pelicans get 3. I’d take out randle and replace with either Harris or Gallinari. Lillard replaces Booker most likely, although he could replace holiday or Westbrook too. Westbrook is averaging a triple double again, but his shooting numbers look very similar to josh Jackson. His defense is up this year, but he really needs to stop shooting.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:41 pm
by Cap
Here’s how WS does it:
East starters: Antetokounmpo, Leonard, Embiid, Irving, Simmons
East reserves: Siakam, Griffin, Vucevic, Walker, Bledsoe (!), Sabonis, Allen
West starters: George, Durant, Davis, Harden, Lillard
West reserves: James, Gallinari, Gobert, Curry, DeRozan, Capela, Adams
Honorable mention (top 24 in WS but excluded because we already have four Western Conference centers): Jokic, Harrell, Towns, Ayton, Jordan
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Rk Player Tm WS G GS MP FG FGA 2P 2PA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 2P% 3P% eFG% FT% TS%
1 Anthony Davis NOP 6.7 34 34 1267 353 698 319 593 34 105 236 294 114 340 454 151 58 90 71 86 976 .506 .538 .324 .530 .803 .590
2 Rudy Gobert UTA 6.3 38 38 1180 217 329 217 329 0 0 138 216 138 333 471 73 34 76 56 104 572 .660 .660 .660 .639 .674
3 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL 6.2 34 34 1146 335 572 323 493 12 79 212 305 83 346 429 207 45 54 145 116 894 .586 .655 .152 .596 .695 .633
4 James Harden HOU 6.1 34 34 1261 331 752 169 336 162 416 318 374 26 175 201 291 70 19 189 116 1142 .440 .503 .389 .548 .850 .623
5 Paul George OKC 5.9 36 36 1271 332 734 213 419 119 315 179 215 56 235 291 146 82 22 99 106 962 .452 .508 .378 .533 .833 .580
6 Kevin Durant GSW 5.8 39 39 1399 383 760 313 568 70 192 274 300 19 274 293 237 32 39 133 74 1110 .504 .551 .365 .550 .913 .622
7 Clint Capela HOU 5.6 37 37 1264 278 437 278 437 0 0 85 142 186 285 471 52 22 71 60 104 641 .636 .636 .636 .599 .642
8 Damian Lillard POR 5.5 38 38 1347 335 741 218 444 117 297 229 256 30 151 181 219 35 19 104 69 1016 .452 .491 .394 .531 .895 .595
9 Steven Adams OKC 5.2 36 36 1217 235 396 235 395 0 1 91 170 177 189 366 62 50 29 54 88 561 .593 .595 .000 .593 .535 .596
10 Nikola Jokic DEN 5.1 36 36 1120 244 491 205 368 39 123 129 154 94 265 359 273 52 26 117 104 656 .497 .557 .317 .537 .838 .587
11 Joel Embiid PHI 5.0 37 37 1255 330 680 288 538 42 142 295 368 89 413 502 129 21 70 128 125 997 .485 .535 .296 .516 .802 .592
12 LeBron James LAL 5.0 34 34 1178 340 656 272 465 68 191 180 264 32 251 283 243 44 24 116 54 928 .518 .585 .356 .570 .682 .601
13 Kawhi Leonard TOR 5.0 31 31 1077 294 589 242 443 52 146 200 235 39 209 248 90 51 16 64 48 840 .499 .546 .356 .543 .851 .607
14 Kyrie Irving BOS 4.9 34 34 1099 298 611 207 388 91 223 99 116 43 125 168 225 55 15 88 79 786 .488 .534 .408 .562 .853 .594
15 Danilo Gallinari LAC 4.5 36 36 1132 212 464 126 277 86 187 196 213 35 190 225 85 24 11 48 75 706 .457 .455 .460 .550 .920 .633
16 Nikola Vucevic ORL 4.5 36 36 1115 304 571 263 464 41 107 82 105 93 333 426 131 37 42 73 72 731 .532 .567 .383 .568 .781 .592
17 Pascal Siakam TOR 4.4 39 38 1191 225 391 197 310 28 81 97 122 56 199 255 109 39 26 68 116 575 .575 .635 .346 .611 .795 .647
18 Ben Simmons PHI 4.3 38 38 1262 246 427 246 427 0 0 127 216 79 266 345 299 50 30 129 101 619 .576 .576 .576 .588 .593
19 Stephen Curry GSW 4.2 28 28 972 270 553 132 244 138 309 132 145 18 125 143 149 37 10 86 73 810 .488 .541 .447 .613 .910 .657
20 Montrezl Harrell LAC 4.2 37 0 931 227 357 226 354 1 3 125 205 90 156 246 59 34 53 50 104 580 .636 .638 .333 .637 .610 .648
21 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN 4.2 38 38 1285 300 611 233 439 67 172 164 197 125 336 461 116 33 72 117 142 831 .491 .531 .390 .546 .832 .596
22 Deandre Ayton PHO 4.1 39 38 1224 293 483 293 481 0 2 77 100 128 297 425 85 30 35 70 111 663 .607 .609 .000 .607 .770 .629
23 Domantas Sabonis IND 4.1 35 1 866 203 323 198 317 5 6 101 136 91 243 334 99 22 20 88 113 512 .628 .625 .833 .636 .743 .669
24 DeAndre Jordan DAL 4.0 37 37 1154 151 237 151 237 0 0 105 149 114 409 523 77 25 38 86 92 407 .637 .637 .637 .705 .673
25 Kemba Walker CHO 4.0 37 37 1276 324 734 202 399 122 335 171 208 16 142 158 223 48 18 89 61 941 .441 .506 .364 .525 .822 .570
26 Eric Bledsoe MIL 3.9 36 36 1070 212 427 158 264 54 163 78 104 37 120 157 200 46 15 77 82 556 .496 .598 .331 .560 .750 .588
27 DeMar DeRozan SAS 3.9 39 39 1369 338 709 331 669 7 40 207 246 28 209 237 250 40 18 93 85 890 .477 .495 .175 .482 .841 .545
28 Jerami Grant OKC 3.8 37 34 1153 176 335 136 223 40 112 68 101 35 145 180 33 32 46 32 92 460 .525 .610 .357 .585 .673 .606
29 Jusuf Nurkic POR 3.7 38 38 1030 208 422 205 399 3 23 140 186 136 262 398 113 43 51 89 123 559 .493 .514 .130 .496 .753 .555
30 LaMarcus Aldridge SAS 3.6 39 39 1264 312 622 310 608 2 14 151 182 114 231 345 90 21 44 71 80 777 .502 .510 .143 .503 .830 .553
31 Derrick Favors UTA 3.6 37 32 854 166 276 155 238 11 38 71 114 108 155 263 39 27 46 44 88 414 .601 .651 .289 .621 .623 .635
32 Jarrett Allen BRK 3.5 37 37 990 162 280 158 256 4 24 100 137 98 206 304 56 20 52 50 90 428 .579 .617 .167 .586 .730 .629
33 Jimmy Butler TOT 3.5 31 31 1026 209 449 166 337 43 112 130 154 51 99 150 111 63 21 45 56 591 .465 .493 .384 .513 .844 .572
34 Blake Griffin DET 3.5 35 35 1252 293 628 212 405 81 223 202 273 47 256 303 181 25 17 133 100 869 .467 .523 .363 .531 .740 .581
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Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:19 pm
by Superbone
Suns’ frustrations bubble to surface in fifth consecutive loss
Devin Booker drew a third-quarter technical for slapping the ball out of bounds, upset that his tough finish through contact did not also result in a foul.
That whistle came after teammate Kelly Oubre picked up a technical for comments directed at the official while walking back to the bench. And after Deandre Ayton slammed his hands against a bench chair after being subbed out just before halftime.
The Suns dropped their fifth consecutive game Friday night, a 121-111 loss to the Clippers at Talking Stick Resort Arena. The defeat followed what has become the theme of this homestand: Tumbling into a significant first-half deficit, then staging a furious rally attempt that falls short in the final period.
This time, though, the 9-31 Suns’ festering frustrations visibly bubbled to the surface during and after their latest rough outing of a forgettable first half of the season.
“This is the same old problem that we’re still looking for the solution for,” said franchise guard Devin Booker, who finished with 23 points and four assists. “ … There’s still over half the season left, and it will be a very long season if we keep coming out and playing like this.
https://theathletic.com/750927/2019/01/ ... eeklyemail
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:24 pm
by TOO
It's already been a long season Devin.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:43 pm
by Superbone
The Suns are currently on schedule to finish worse than last year with 18 wins but I do think it's a better team and they'll surpass last year's 21 victories. But maybe not by much due to their lousy start. We'll get some wins over the other mediocre teams once we sprinkle them in again.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:18 pm
by ShelC
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1081682678800437249
Big fan of Acy. Solid hustle and energy guy, good rebounder. Similar to Holmes, a little less athletic.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:36 pm
by specialsauce
Whoop de fuckin doo.
Wake me up when we trade for a PG.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:40 pm
by Cap
They’re doing 10-days already? Season is going by faster than I thought.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:00 pm
by The Bobster
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:36 pm
Whoop de fuckin doo.
Wake me up when we trade for a PG.
And a PF.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:30 pm
by Danimal
Agreed. Whilst we still need a pg, Acey is someone we can throw in there if our energy dips. Always hustles on D. A good role model signing like the Crawford one.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:56 am
by carey
Acy was not great last year, but it doesn't matter. I don't think he'll be playing much. Just... if we're playing a guy that can't shoot then we should be playing Bender.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:04 am
by TOO
I think Quincy Acy sucks. That is all.
Re: Suns News: Weeks 11 & 12 - 12/24-1/6
Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:37 am
by ShelC
This kind of explains the move. Can't say I disagree, just a matter of how much Acy can impact things tho I'm not expecting much:
https://twitter.com/DuaneRankin/status/1081627604841611264