Game Day: 76ers (24-14) @ Suns (9-29), Wed 1/2/19

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Re: Game Day: 76ers (24-14) @ Suns (9-29), Wed 1/2/19

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You guys are right. Our offense is a well oiled machine with all the shooters and playmakers we have on the perimeter.

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Re: Game Day: 76ers (24-14) @ Suns (9-29), Wed 1/2/19

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I don't believe in Igor being such a moron he doesn't want his team to play through Ayton. If he doesn't, there's a legit reason.
Only Crawford, Daniels and the corpse of Anderson have played for 5 years or more, seems to me that's the first year our young suns can play something else than hero ball (behalve Holmes and Oubre).

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Come on, Shel and Mori. Ayton's not nearly ready for the offense to run through him. For the most part he's scoring on other players creating looks for him, putbacks and elbow jumpers. How many baskets has he scored that involved more than 2 dribbles? I agree that he should be getting more touches, but he's pretty mechanical in the post and can't break defenders down off the dribble. That'll hopefully come, but he's not there yet. At all.

Embiid gets the ball at the 3-point line and can shoot, back his defender down, drive, euro-step, make quick-read passes. I really haven't seen much of any of those from Ayton.
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I just think some post ups could be helpful in the midst of a stretch where we're ISO'ing or coming down and just jacking shots. Or maybe to start the game to get him going, maybe get the other big in foul trouble, establish some easy/early offense? We simply don't play thru him at all. We don't play pick and roll to work mismatches in the post, our guys don't even look to throw an entry pass from the wings, we don't run any offense on the perimeter while he has the ball down low. Yea he's a rook and 20 years old and still raw offensively but I'm not asking for Embiid or Cousins. He's relegated to rolling and putbacks. He may not be Embiid but he's not Gobert or Capela either.

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He does get some post touches. Sure we could probably go to him more, but he also doesn’t seem all that eager to use the ones he gets. He often throws the ball out to the perimeter and has even said he doesn’t like to force things on offense.

Holmes will do this thing where he has the ball in the high post and the offense calls for a pass or a DHO...the defense shuts that down and holmes defender will back off allowing Holmes to attack off the dribble. He’s actually been fairly effective at it, and I’d like to see Ayton start doing that. Ayton either waits for a pass to open up to reinitiate the offense or he just shoots the 18 footer.

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Re: Game Day: 76ers (24-14) @ Suns (9-29), Wed 1/2/19

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Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:27 pm
Come on, Shel and Mori. Ayton's not nearly ready for the offense to run through him. For the most part he's scoring on other players creating looks for him, putbacks and elbow jumpers. How many baskets has he scored that involved more than 2 dribbles? I agree that he should be getting more touches, but he's pretty mechanical in the post and can't break defenders down off the dribble. That'll hopefully come, but he's not there yet. At all.

Embiid gets the ball at the 3-point line and can shoot, back his defender down, drive, euro-step, make quick-read passes. I really haven't seen much of any of those from Ayton.
Ultimately I agree that we shouldn't run all of our offense through him. And I also agree that he isn't ready for that yet. But I just think we should get him (and the rest of the team) used to passing the ball in to him over and over and over. They just don't look to him right now. Or if they do, they kind of limply try to send him an entry pass and either they abandon the plan when he's guarded or else they try to throw it and it gets stolen. They need to all practice it as if the offense depended on it.

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ShelC wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:35 pm
I just think some post ups could be helpful in the midst of a stretch where we're ISO'ing or coming down and just jacking shots. Or maybe to start the game to get him going, maybe get the other big in foul trouble, establish some easy/early offense? We simply don't play thru him at all. We don't play pick and roll to work mismatches in the post, our guys don't even look to throw an entry pass from the wings, we don't run any offense on the perimeter while he has the ball down low. Yea he's a rook and 20 years old and still raw offensively but I'm not asking for Embiid or Cousins. He's relegated to rolling and putbacks. He may not be Embiid but he's not Gobert or Capela either.
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Re: Game Day: 76ers (24-14) @ Suns (9-29), Wed 1/2/19

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specialsauce wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:40 pm
ShelC wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 6:35 pm
I just think some post ups could be helpful in the midst of a stretch where we're ISO'ing or coming down and just jacking shots. Or maybe to start the game to get him going, maybe get the other big in foul trouble, establish some easy/early offense? We simply don't play thru him at all. We don't play pick and roll to work mismatches in the post, our guys don't even look to throw an entry pass from the wings, we don't run any offense on the perimeter while he has the ball down low. Yea he's a rook and 20 years old and still raw offensively but I'm not asking for Embiid or Cousins. He's relegated to rolling and putbacks. He may not be Embiid but he's not Gobert or Capela either.
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We went to him on the first 3 possessions of the 6ers game.

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Re: Game Day: 76ers (24-14) @ Suns (9-29), Wed 1/2/19

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The Bobster wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:06 pm
He's 20 years old and averaging 17 points and 11 rebounds and shooting 60%.

I think he's on the right track. Let's just exercise some patience.
You know who else is putting up great numbers? These guys:

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Player                     Date    Tm Opp MP FG FGA   FG% 2P 2PA   2P% 3P 3PA   3P% FT FTA   FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS GmSc
Joel Embiid          2019-01-02   PHI PHO 36 12  23  .522 11  22  .500  1   1 1.000 17  19  .895   4  14  18   2   3   2   4  3  42 37.5
Nikola Jokic         2018-12-29   DEN PHO 38  8  11  .727  8   9  .889  0   2  .000  7   8  .875   1   7   8   9   3   1   4  3  23 25.7
Steven Adams         2018-12-28   OKC PHO 35  5  10  .500  5  10  .500  0         0  2   3  .667   4   9  13   3   3   0   1  3  12 15.0
Nikola Vucevic       2018-12-26   ORL PHO 39 10  20  .500  8  15  .533  2   5  .400  0         0   3  10  13   2   2   0   4  1  22 16.1
Thomas Bryant        2018-12-22   WAS PHO 36 14  14 1.000 14  14 1.000  0         0  3   3 1.000   4   9  13   2   0   0   1  3  31 31.5
Aron Baynes          2018-12-19   BOS PHO  2  2   2 1.000  2   2 1.000  0         0  0         0   0   1   1   0   0   0   0  0   4  3.7
Enes Kanter          2018-12-17   NYK PHO 28  4  11  .364  4  10  .400  0   1  .000  5   6  .833   5   5  10   4   1   0   1  2  13 13.5
Karl-Anthony Towns   2018-12-15   MIN PHO 38 11  26  .423 10  19  .526  1   7  .143  5   6  .833   4   8  12   4   2   2   0  4  28 23.6
DeAndre Jordan       2018-12-13   DAL PHO 32  5   5 1.000  5   5 1.000  0         0  4   7  .571   5  10  15   1   1   0   5  0  14 14.5
Boban Marjanovic     2018-12-10   LAC PHO 17  3   6  .500  3   6  .500  0         0  0         0   2   6   8   2   0   1   1  2   6  6.5
Bam Adebayo          2018-12-07   MIA PHO 32  6   9  .667  6   9  .667  0         0 10  11  .909   3   7  10   2   1   1   0  1  22 24.6
Jusuf Nurkic         2018-12-06   POR PHO 23  4  12  .333  4  11  .364  0   1  .000  1   4  .250   4  10  14   2   1   1   2  2   9  7.1
JaVale McGee         2018-12-02   LAL PHO 21  7  10  .700  7  10  .700  0         0  0         0   4   4   8   0   1   1   1  1  14 14.1
Nikola Vucevic       2018-11-30   ORL PHO 32 11  20  .550  9  15  .600  2   5  .400  1   2  .500   1  14  15   3   1   1   2  3  25 20.5
Boban Marjanovic     2018-11-28   LAC PHO 19  3   6  .500  3   6  .500  0         0  6   6 1.000   8   4  12   1   0   0   2  2  12 13.7
Myles Turner         2018-11-27   IND PHO 29  6  10  .600  5   8  .625  1   2  .500  3   4  .750   1  12  13   1   0   5   0  2  16 18.7
Andre Drummond       2018-11-25   DET PHO 31  9  14  .643  9  14  .643  0         0  1   8  .125   7   9  16   1   5   0   3  4  19 18.7
Brook Lopez          2018-11-23   MIL PHO 32  3  17  .176  3   5  .600  0  12  .000  1   2  .500   0   5   5   0   0   4   0  3   7 -1.0
Wendell Carter       2018-11-21   CHI PHO 22  6   9  .667  6   8  .750  0   1  .000  2   2 1.000   0   5   5   2   1   0   2  5  14 10.0
Joel Embiid          2018-11-19   PHI PHO 36 12  23  .522 12  18  .667  0   5  .000  9  12  .750   3  14  17   1   3   1   6  4  33 23.6
Steven Adams         2018-11-17   OKC PHO 37 11  15  .733 11  15  .733  0         0  4   5  .800   5   5  10   0   1   0   2  5  26 21.5
Steven Adams         2018-11-12   OKC PHO 33  9  13  .692  9  13  .692  0         0  0         0   5   2   7   1   4   2   3  1  18 19.3
Al Horford           2018-11-08   BOS PHO 33  3   7  .429  2   5  .400  1   2  .500  0   1  .000   2   4   6   3   0   4   2  0   7  8.4
Marc Gasol           2018-11-04   MEM PHO 37  2  13  .154  2   9  .222  0   4  .000  3   3 1.000   1   7   8   1   2   1   1  3   7  2.7
Jonas Valanciunas    2018-11-02   TOR PHO 24  7  10  .700  6   8  .750  1   2  .500  1   2  .500   1   6   7   1   1   4   2  6  16 14.0
Nerlens Noel         2018-10-28   OKC PHO 26  9  14  .643  9  14  .643  0         0  2   3  .667   6   9  15   2   4   1   1  3  20 24.2
Marc Gasol           2018-10-27   MEM PHO 31  8  16  .500  5  10  .500  3   6  .500  0         0   0   8   8   3   3   0   2  2  19 15.7
JaVale McGee         2018-10-24   LAL PHO 26  8  13  .615  7  11  .636  1   2  .500  3   6  .500   2   4   6   2   1   4   0  2  20 19.9
Nikola Jokic         2018-10-20   DEN PHO 31 11  11 1.000  8   8 1.000  3   3 1.000 10  11  .909   0  11  11  11   4   1   0  3  35 45.8
DeAndre Jordan       2018-10-17   DAL PHO 31  5   9  .556  5   9  .556  0         0  1   1 1.000   4   8  12   1   1   1   0  5  11 12.3
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Re: Game Day: 76ers (24-14) @ Suns (9-29), Wed 1/2/19

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Cap wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:18 am
The Bobster wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:06 pm
He's 20 years old and averaging 17 points and 11 rebounds and shooting 60%.

I think he's on the right track. Let's just exercise some patience.
You know who else is putting up great numbers? These guys:
80% of those guys are 3+ years older, only 1 (Wendell Carter) in Ayton's age or younger.

We just need to exercise some patience. Ayton's defense is an issue, but the team's defense and lack of quality big men outside of Ayton and Holmes are big issues too.
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