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Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:14 pm
by Shabazz
specialsauce wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:32 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:32 pm
We really need some defense and athleticism. I already listed my preferences for the vacant big man spot. Frank's a good player, but who's helping Ayton down low?
Ayton needs to help himself down low. He’s our f*** franchise center. We needed a stretch 4 on the outside. If we need a bruiser for Ayton, just call him a big ass bust right now.
No. We need some athleticism and versatility. Saric and Oubre can both stretch the floor as 4s. We needed someone who can provide a little weak-side help.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:40 pm
by Hermen
specialsauce wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:32 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:32 pm
We really need some defense and athleticism. I already listed my preferences for the vacant big man spot. Frank's a good player, but who's helping Ayton down low?
Ayton needs to help himself down low. He’s our f*** franchise center. We needed a stretch 4 on the outside. If we need a bruiser for Ayton, just call him a big ass bust right now.
Agreed.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:41 pm
by Hermen
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:14 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:32 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:32 pm
We really need some defense and athleticism. I already listed my preferences for the vacant big man spot. Frank's a good player, but who's helping Ayton down low?
Ayton needs to help himself down low. He’s our f*** franchise center. We needed a stretch 4 on the outside. If we need a bruiser for Ayton, just call him a big ass bust right now.
No. We need some athleticism and versatility. Saric and Oubre can both stretch the floor as 4s. We needed someone who can provide a little weak-side help.
Oubre shoots like Rubio.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:55 pm
by Hermen
I'm surprised Kaminsky got that much money. Is the second year any kind of option maybe?

We now have two bigs who can shoot, which I think is necessary, and any combo of the 4 bigs should be able to play together except Baynes and Ayton. More athleticism would be nice, but athletic bigs that can shoot are few and cost a lot. Holmes, Bell or someone like that would make sense if we didn't have Baynes, but that's independent of Kaminsky.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:16 pm
by INFORMER
In2ition wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:42 pm
I think the per 36 and per 100 numbers for Kaminsky and Saric are pretty decent(not outstanding or great) in rebounding though. Much better than any of the wings.
Kaminsky is a career poor rebounder, but Saric has flashed the ability to be decent on the boards. But yes, they should rebound better than the wings we had manning the 4 spot last year. But that is setting the bar very low, which seems to be the theme of the offseason.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:17 pm
by INFORMER
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:14 pm
We needed someone who can provide a little weak-side help.
Yep. That was an Achilles Heel of the Suns last season.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:39 pm
by ShelC
Player A career per 36:
15.9 ppg, 6.5 rbg, 2.6 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.6bpg, 1.9 3s, 41.9% FG, 34.9% 3PT, 76% FT

Player B career per 36:
14.2ppg, 7.3rpg, 1.6apg, 0.8spg, 1.0bpg, 3.2 3s, 44% FG, 38.8% 3PT, 82.2% FT

Guess the players, playas. No cheating!

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:43 pm
by INFORMER
What are we guessing? And where are the shooting percentages?

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:22 pm
by ShelC
Added above.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:49 pm
by INFORMER
Shouldn't you tell us what the options are? I'm assuming one is Kaminsky.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:24 pm
by AmareIsGod
Frye and Kaminsky?

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:39 pm
by carey
I generally have a hard time guessing using per36. It opens up the opportunity for any scrub to be included really.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:40 am
by ShelC
It's Frye and Kaminsky.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:44 am
by Ring_Wanted
ShelC wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:40 am
It's Frye and Kaminsky.
Kaminsky has been bad basically his whole NBA career so far, so we'll see what he can do. Many thought very little of Frye, so we'll see how much hate he gets. Btw, do you guys remember Frye's mystical relationship with +/- stats? His advanced stats with Dragic on the pick and pop were great too, if I remember correctly (points per possession, I believe).

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:56 am
by ShelC
Yea I'm not expecting any miracles but Frye struggled early in his career too until he came to Phoenix. Bigs like him weren't shooting 3s when he was drafted and he was tagged as a "finesse" guy because he was a jumpshooter and not a banger/rebounder. Knicks were a disaster when he was there, Portland had him bulk up to the play the 5 next to Aldridge. Maybe Kaminsky will break out here too playing with a pass-first PG.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:50 am
by Cap
INFORMER wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:17 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:14 pm
We needed someone who can provide a little weak-side help.
Yep. That was an Achilles Heel of the Suns last season.
When everything is an Achilles’ Heel, you don’t have an Achilles’ Heel, you’re just not Achilles.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:01 am
by O_Gardino
Cap wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:50 am
INFORMER wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:17 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:14 pm
We needed someone who can provide a little weak-side help.
Yep. That was an Achilles Heel of the Suns last season.
When everything is an Achilles’ Heel, you don’t have an Achilles’ Heel, you’re just not Achilles.
More like Star Trek red shirt's than greek heroes.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:52 am
by virtual9mm
Cap wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:50 am
INFORMER wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:17 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:14 pm
We needed someone who can provide a little weak-side help.
Yep. That was an Achilles Heel of the Suns last season.
When everything is an Achilles’ Heel, you don’t have an Achilles’ Heel, you’re just not Achilles.
This would be great. Achilles was fucking awesome.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:41 am
by Mori Chu
Random thought, but man, Frye was great here. I loved his 3-point shooting, and he fit in so well to what we were doing as a team at that time. I loved those Suns years so much, the 2010-13 ish years when we had Nash and Hill and Frye and Dudley and that whole squad. I miss the good old days.

Re: Suns sign Frank Kaminsky

Posted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:47 pm
by JeremyG
I hated Frye on the team. I still have nightmares thinking about him being a Sun. He couldn’t grab a freaking rebound.

And right now we desperately need more rebounders not another Frye.