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Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 6:34 pm
by Split T
3rdside wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:22 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:33 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:16 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:13 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 1:39 pm
Curry over Paul is ridiculous for MVP.
No way. Curry has been significantly better than Paul this year.
It’s not an award for the better player. It’s for the most valuable to their team.
The nba is purposefully vague about what MVP means. It drives up conversation. If you want to argue value to a team, you can put guys like Paul and Gobert high. If you are just looking for the best player, Curry is better.
I personally lean towards best player. My MVP ballot would have been:
1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. Curry
4. Giannis
5. CP3
It's usually someone who's done something remarkable on a team that's done something remarkable, with either being less important when the other is especially remarkable e.g. Russell Westbrook's triple double season or Steve Nash's 7SOL suns.
Curry's had a relatively non-remarkable statistical season on a mediocre team, so deserves less love from me.
Paul has had a remarkable impact on his team, however his stats don't clearly warrant MVP winner status - Jokic, Embiid and Giannis probably add a similar number of wins as Paul does but their stats are better - but if Paul was on the Warriors instead of Curry they'd probably be better, same with the Suns .. so yeah it's comfortably Paul > Curry for me.
1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. Giannis
4. CP3
5. Curry
I don’t know about the bolded part. 32 points on a .655 TS% seems pretty remarkable to me. I’d feel pretty confident that no one besides Curry has done that before.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 6:36 pm
by 3rdside
It would but we can only compare the Warriors record to the Suns', and the proof is in the Suns' pudding.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 6:39 pm
by Mori Chu
Honestly I don't worry too much about who gets votes for 4th and 5th place for MVP. They don't have a fourth-most-valuable player award. Paul has had a great season and so has Curry.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 6:49 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
3rdside wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:36 pm
It would but we can only compare the Warriors record to the Suns', and the proof is in the Suns' pudding.
I agree if by "pudding" you mean the rest of the Suns roster compared to the Warriors'.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 6:50 pm
by 3rdside
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:39 pm
Honestly I don't worry too much about who gets votes for 4th and 5th place for MVP. They don't have a fourth-most-valuable player award. Paul has had a great season and so has Curry.
Fair enough, I just saw an opportunity to have a pop at FF so I took it (sorry FF
)
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 6:56 pm
by 3rdside
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:49 pm
3rdside wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:36 pm
It would but we can only compare the Warriors record to the Suns', and the proof is in the Suns' pudding.
I agree if by "pudding" you mean the rest of the Suns roster compared to the Warriors'.
Suns's record > Warriors'
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 7:08 pm
by 3rdside
Split T wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:34 pm
3rdside wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:22 pm
Split T wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:33 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:16 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 3:13 pm
No way. Curry has been significantly better than Paul this year.
It’s not an award for the better player. It’s for the most valuable to their team.
The nba is purposefully vague about what MVP means. It drives up conversation. If you want to argue value to a team, you can put guys like Paul and Gobert high. If you are just looking for the best player, Curry is better.
I personally lean towards best player. My MVP ballot would have been:
1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. Curry
4. Giannis
5. CP3
It's usually someone who's done something remarkable on a team that's done something remarkable, with either being less important when the other is especially remarkable e.g. Russell Westbrook's triple double season or Steve Nash's 7SOL suns.
Curry's had a relatively non-remarkable statistical season on a mediocre team, so deserves less love from me.
Paul has had a remarkable impact on his team, however his stats don't clearly warrant MVP winner status - Jokic, Embiid and Giannis probably add a similar number of wins as Paul does but their stats are better - but if Paul was on the Warriors instead of Curry they'd probably be better, same with the Suns .. so yeah it's comfortably Paul > Curry for me.
1. Jokic
2. Embiid
3. Giannis
4. CP3
5. Curry
I don’t know about the bolded part. 32 points on a .655 TS% seems pretty remarkable to me. I’d feel pretty confident that no one besides Curry has done that before.
Embiid at .634%, Harden's been to .626%, Giannis at .633% .. so agree .655% is remarkable but the raw PPG is not (not even top 5 the last 20 seasons..)
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Fri May 21, 2021 7:18 pm
by Split T
I mean Harden won an MVP, Giannis won 2, Embiid might have won if he didn’t get hurt this year. And yet those guys are still below Curry...I’d consider all those guys remarkable.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 12:23 am
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 7:18 pm
I mean Harden won an MVP, Giannis won 2, Embiid might have won if he didn’t get hurt this year. And yet those guys are still below Curry...I’d consider all those guys remarkable.
Curry’s team didn’t even make the playoffs. Bleh.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 4:21 am
by bajanguy008
I honestly will like him to not have another setback and be doing his thing again next season
I've seen many players watching from the sidelines but man dude was just pacing up n down constantly, banging his hands on the bench padding. It's quite evident how bad he's ready to be back out there
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 10:13 am
by bajanguy008
I think this a legit question
Watching some of the games this week I was like cool to have back fans but it seemed like early on they were more spread out. Arenas obviously still not close to full but just seemed like in the Grizz home game and then last night in GSW the fans were in alot more clusters
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 11:21 am
by bajanguy008
I know ppl complain that teams been overdoing the jerseys and I don't really bother myself because I think Nike has put out some cool ones
Tuning into this first game and seeing the Heat in this Yellow kit is not cutting it tho lol. Who's idea was that
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 11:51 am
by Superbone
bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 11:21 am
I know ppl complain that teams been overdoing the jerseys and I don't really bother myself because I think Nike has put out some cool ones
Tuning into this first game and seeing the Heat in this Yellow kit is not cutting it tho lol. Who's idea was that
They look like the Lakers of the East.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 11:57 am
by Superbone
The Heat sport more colors than a rainbow.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Sat May 22, 2021 12:55 pm
by JeremyG
They look almost indistinguishable from the Pacers lol.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 3:00 pm
by bajanguy008
Mori....
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 3:02 pm
by ShelC
I love Rubio but sheesh.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 3:02 pm
by bajanguy008
That's a fake account lol
I will leave the post up though
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 3:13 pm
by ShelC
Ha! I was actually hoping it was true so we could maybe get Paul on a discount. The replies in that thread are hilarious too.
Re: Around the League: Week 14 3/22-3/28
Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 4:41 pm
by ShelC