Re: Deandre Ayton's future with the Suns?
Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:15 pm
I don’t want to give up Mikal. That would be a tough pill to swallow.
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It's a fine line. If we go for it with KD and don't win a Chip, it's a failure. We'd be back to square one.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:09 pmBut where do we end up two years from now? Bridges and DA will be in their primes and we’ll continue to either compete or have tradeable assets. KD, CP3 will be albatross contracts and we’ll be left to start over like Brooklyn is now and LA.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:47 amI will take the next two years of KD's career over the next 2 years of ANYONE's career on this current team. The comparison seems so silly.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:23 amIf we had to give up Ayton and Bridges why would KD even want to still come here? That makes us worse than last season, especially when you factor in CP3’s age. If we are the only team on his list, the Nets will accommodate him.
And from the Suns side of things, CP3 and KD are only going to decline each year, while Ayton and Bridges are going to improve each year.
I guess the question becomes will we really go all out to try and win-now.
If the answer is KD on this current roster minus 2/3 of DA, Cam and Mikal- we’re not any better off and in two years we’re worse.
If we get KD, we better pay and go all out getting creative to add some serious talent around CP3 Book and Kd
Agreed. But we say all the time that you need to make big moves if you want to win. Of course it is a gamble. But is it anymore of a gamble to hope Ayton takes a leap to become an effective #1/#2 on a great team?Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:15 pmIt's a fine line. If we go for it with KD and don't win a Chip, it's a failure. We'd be back to square one.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:09 pmBut where do we end up two years from now? Bridges and DA will be in their primes and we’ll continue to either compete or have tradeable assets. KD, CP3 will be albatross contracts and we’ll be left to start over like Brooklyn is now and LA.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:47 amI will take the next two years of KD's career over the next 2 years of ANYONE's career on this current team. The comparison seems so silly.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:23 amIf we had to give up Ayton and Bridges why would KD even want to still come here? That makes us worse than last season, especially when you factor in CP3’s age. If we are the only team on his list, the Nets will accommodate him.
And from the Suns side of things, CP3 and KD are only going to decline each year, while Ayton and Bridges are going to improve each year.
I guess the question becomes will we really go all out to try and win-now.
If the answer is KD on this current roster minus 2/3 of DA, Cam and Mikal- we’re not any better off and in two years we’re worse.
If we get KD, we better pay and go all out getting creative to add some serious talent around CP3 Book and Kd
Yes. It is.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:38 pmAgreed. But we say all the time that you need to make big moves if you want to win. Of course it is a gamble. But is it anymore of a gamble to hope Ayton takes a leap to become an effective #1/#2 on a great team?Superbone wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:15 pmIt's a fine line. If we go for it with KD and don't win a Chip, it's a failure. We'd be back to square one.specialsauce wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:09 pmBut where do we end up two years from now? Bridges and DA will be in their primes and we’ll continue to either compete or have tradeable assets. KD, CP3 will be albatross contracts and we’ll be left to start over like Brooklyn is now and LA.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:47 amI will take the next two years of KD's career over the next 2 years of ANYONE's career on this current team. The comparison seems so silly.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:23 am
If we had to give up Ayton and Bridges why would KD even want to still come here? That makes us worse than last season, especially when you factor in CP3’s age. If we are the only team on his list, the Nets will accommodate him.
And from the Suns side of things, CP3 and KD are only going to decline each year, while Ayton and Bridges are going to improve each year.
I guess the question becomes will we really go all out to try and win-now.
If the answer is KD on this current roster minus 2/3 of DA, Cam and Mikal- we’re not any better off and in two years we’re worse.
If we get KD, we better pay and go all out getting creative to add some serious talent around CP3 Book and Kd
We weren't talking about "anyone." We were talking about both Bridges and Ayton. You would take the next 2 years of KD over the next 2 years of both Bridges and Ayton?Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:47 amI will take the next two years of KD's career over the next 2 years of ANYONE's career on this current team. The comparison seems so silly.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:23 amIf we had to give up Ayton and Bridges why would KD even want to still come here? That makes us worse than last season, especially when you factor in CP3’s age. If we are the only team on his list, the Nets will accommodate him.
And from the Suns side of things, CP3 and KD are only going to decline each year, while Ayton and Bridges are going to improve each year.
Do you know who Kevin Durant is? I mean what are we doing here?JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:52 pmWe weren't talking about "anyone." We were talking about both Bridges and Ayton. You would take the next 2 years of KD over the next 2 years of both Bridges and Ayton?Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:47 amI will take the next two years of KD's career over the next 2 years of ANYONE's career on this current team. The comparison seems so silly.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:23 amIf we had to give up Ayton and Bridges why would KD even want to still come here? That makes us worse than last season, especially when you factor in CP3’s age. If we are the only team on his list, the Nets will accommodate him.
And from the Suns side of things, CP3 and KD are only going to decline each year, while Ayton and Bridges are going to improve each year.
Yeah, he's the guy who shot 38.6% in the playoffs this year.Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:04 pmDo you know who Kevin Durant is? I mean what are we doing here?JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:52 pmWe weren't talking about "anyone." We were talking about both Bridges and Ayton. You would take the next 2 years of KD over the next 2 years of both Bridges and Ayton?Indy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:47 amI will take the next two years of KD's career over the next 2 years of ANYONE's career on this current team. The comparison seems so silly.JeremyG wrote: ↑Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:23 amIf we had to give up Ayton and Bridges why would KD even want to still come here? That makes us worse than last season, especially when you factor in CP3’s age. If we are the only team on his list, the Nets will accommodate him.
And from the Suns side of things, CP3 and KD are only going to decline each year, while Ayton and Bridges are going to improve each year.
It feels like Kyrie will be playing with LeBron in LA and AD will be in Brooklyn. Wonder what that means for this kind of deal.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:26 amI voted that I think they'll trade him and I'll add to the wild stabs in the dark about what James Jones will do.
Suns - Kevin Durant
Spurs - Deandre Ayton (4yr/$140M-ish)
Hawks - DeJounte Murry, Jae Crowder
Nets - John Collins, (Hawks role player), Cam Johnson, (Suns role player)
I don't know how these teams value draft picks in trades but I'd guess the Suns, and definitely the Hawks, would lose picks. I could see up to 3 picks going to Brooklyn in this kind of deal. The value would probably depend a lot on which role players the Nets requested. I'm not putting Mikal in that group if it wasn't obvious. Atlanta would probably say the same about Hunter and Okongwu.
Looks great for everyone except the Nets, so it's obviously a nuclear option for them. We'll see how desperate they have to get.
The Spurs are only allowed to offer him $131 million.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:26 amI voted that I think they'll trade him and I'll add to the wild stabs in the dark about what James Jones will do.
Suns - Kevin Durant
Spurs - Deandre Ayton (4yr/$140M-ish)
Hawks - DeJounte Murry, Jae Crowder
Nets - John Collins, (Hawks role player), Cam Johnson, (Suns role player)
I don't know how these teams value draft picks in trades but I'd guess the Suns, and definitely the Hawks, would lose picks. I could see up to 3 picks going to Brooklyn in this kind of deal. The value would probably depend a lot on which role players the Nets requested. I'm not putting Mikal in that group if it wasn't obvious. Atlanta would probably say the same about Hunter and Okongwu.
Looks great for everyone except the Nets, so it's obviously a nuclear option for them. We'll see how desperate they have to get.