Game Day: Suns (21-22) @ Wolves (20-22), Fri 1/13/23

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Re: Game Day: Suns (21-22) @ Wolves (20-22), Fri 1/13/23

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My problem with Ayton now is that he regressed a lot on defense. We would'nt need him to score a lot if he at least tries on the other end, and that's not happening.

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In his defense, the whole team regressed on defense, but ya he’s been bad on D this year

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If Ayton just committed fully to being a defensive monster like Ben Wallace he'd be worth a max deal, just get me 13 boards, a few blocks and keep people away from the paint. He cant even do that because he has no heart. He's a poor mans Brook Lopez.
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JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:09 pm
Drewsprocket wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:52 pm
Your version of Ayton exists in China. There is and never was an Ayton that is a leading scorer. You need a time machine back to the 90’s when someone like him could hang 20ppg on a nightly basis.
Wait are you being serious? 20 ppg? He would be doing that without anything even changing in his play, his role, or the system if he was simply playing just 4 more minutes per game.
DA doesn’t do anything at a max level. Not a thing.

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specialsauce wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:29 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:09 pm
Drewsprocket wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:52 pm
Your version of Ayton exists in China. There is and never was an Ayton that is a leading scorer. You need a time machine back to the 90’s when someone like him could hang 20ppg on a nightly basis.
Wait are you being serious? 20 ppg? He would be doing that without anything even changing in his play, his role, or the system if he was simply playing just 4 more minutes per game.
DA doesn’t do anything at a max level. Not a thing.
I beg to differ. NOBODY comes close to him in NBA2K ability.
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The handstands and underhand halfcourt shots during pregame are pretty impressive.

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Superbone wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:57 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:29 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:09 pm
Drewsprocket wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:52 pm
Your version of Ayton exists in China. There is and never was an Ayton that is a leading scorer. You need a time machine back to the 90’s when someone like him could hang 20ppg on a nightly basis.
Wait are you being serious? 20 ppg? He would be doing that without anything even changing in his play, his role, or the system if he was simply playing just 4 more minutes per game.
DA doesn’t do anything at a max level. Not a thing.
I beg to differ. NOBODY comes close to him in NBA2K ability.
Not even true. Book beat him in NBA 2k pretty handily.

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Wally_West wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 7:14 pm
Superbone wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:57 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 6:29 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:09 pm
Drewsprocket wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:52 pm
Your version of Ayton exists in China. There is and never was an Ayton that is a leading scorer. You need a time machine back to the 90’s when someone like him could hang 20ppg on a nightly basis.
Wait are you being serious? 20 ppg? He would be doing that without anything even changing in his play, his role, or the system if he was simply playing just 4 more minutes per game.
DA doesn’t do anything at a max level. Not a thing.
I beg to differ. NOBODY comes close to him in NBA2K ability.
Not even true. Book beat him in NBA 2k pretty handily.
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Split T wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:43 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:12 pm
As for Ayton being a leading scorer or MVP candidate, those are not necessary in order to be worth a max contract in this league.

Another very strange argument I keep hearing is people who claim that Ayton is struggling as the #1 which proves that he can't be a #2. Makes no sense.
You’re not wrong. He doesn’t need to be a leading scorer or mvp candidate. I just want him to be capable of looking like that type of player every now and then.

There’s 2 paths for him to be worth max money to me…the first is for him to consistently play like he did in the 2021 playoffs. Just fully buy into the roll man role on offense, attack the glass relentlessly, and be a great defensive anchor.

The other path is for him to develop into a featured offensive player that isn’t dependent on his teammates for production. He could still be primarily a post threat, but he needs to be able to get himself into the post by dribbling. Even if his numbers don’t change, as long as we can give him the ball and force the defense to defend it, it makes a difference.

I think he and Mikal are showing they are just 3rd options right now. I’ve been intrigued that Mikal has flashed some on ball productivity the last couple games, but I think his struggles the previous month show he can’t consistently do that. I’m pretty intrigued to see how everyone looks when everyone is healthy besides Book.

A CP3/Mikal/Lee/CamJ/Ayton lineup should force Mikal and CamJ to run the Book role, Lee is more the Mikal role and we’d need to feature more CP3/Ayton pnr and trying to find Ayton more.
Well Mikal can’t be the primary on ball scorer when we’re playing a bunch of Ed fucking Nealys on the floor with him. Mikal can take on more with a healthy starting unit.

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Ya that’s why I’m excited to see how he does with everyone but Book back

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Split T wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:43 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:12 pm
As for Ayton being a leading scorer or MVP candidate, those are not necessary in order to be worth a max contract in this league.

Another very strange argument I keep hearing is people who claim that Ayton is struggling as the #1 which proves that he can't be a #2. Makes no sense.
You’re not wrong. He doesn’t need to be a leading scorer or mvp candidate. I just want him to be capable of looking like that type of player every now and then.
Well he certainly has every now and then (Player of the Week for example).
Split T wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:43 pm
There’s 2 paths for him to be worth max money to me…the first is for him to consistently play like he did in the 2021 playoffs. Just fully buy into the roll man role on offense, attack the glass relentlessly, and be a great defensive anchor.

The other path is for him to develop into a featured offensive player that isn’t dependent on his teammates for production. He could still be primarily a post threat, but he needs to be able to get himself into the post by dribbling. Even if his numbers don’t change, as long as we can give him the ball and force the defense to defend it, it makes a difference.
We saw a little bit of that last game, but then he missed the hook shots in the paint. He did have 4 assists, though.
Split T wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:43 pm
I think he and Mikal are showing they are just 3rd options right now. I’ve been intrigued that Mikal has flashed some on ball productivity the last couple games, but I think his struggles the previous month show he can’t consistently do that. I’m pretty intrigued to see how everyone looks when everyone is healthy besides Book.
I would like to see how Mikal looks if he got a couple weeks of rest.
Split T wrote:
Sun Jan 15, 2023 3:43 pm
A CP3/Mikal/Lee/CamJ/Ayton lineup should force Mikal and CamJ to run the Book role, Lee is more the Mikal role and we’d need to feature more CP3/Ayton pnr and trying to find Ayton more.
Why didn't they do that before the last 4 games that Paul missed?

It's astonishing that even with most of our roster injured, Ayton is only averaging 31 minutes per game since Book's been out (and still only 15.3 FGA). He should be averaging 38 minutes with Book out.

When Ayton plays 32 minutes or more this season (13 games), he is averaging 22.2 points per game and 12.4 rebounds per game. (And he's still only averaging 35.5 mpg in those games.)
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I don’t follow Ayton as closely as you, but maybe he gets more minutes when he plays better? I’m not sure why Ayton gets a little less minutes than our other big guys, but it’s kinda hard to speculate. We don’t know why Monty does that.

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JeremyG wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:42 pm

When Ayton plays 32 minutes or more this season (13 games), he is averaging 22.2 points per game and 12.4 rebounds per game. (And he's still only averaging 35.5 mpg in those games.)
How about some context here? He battled foul trouble in some games, got injured/was coming back from injury in some games, was ineffective in some games, and some games were blowouts, so he sat in garbage time. Competitive games where he was healthy, effective and not in foul trouble, he generally played a lot of minutes. Seems right to me.

There's also the possibility that he doesn't have the stamina to play 38 minutes a night. 31 minutes a night is only 2 fewer than Jokic averages.

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Shabazz wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:59 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:42 pm

When Ayton plays 32 minutes or more this season (13 games), he is averaging 22.2 points per game and 12.4 rebounds per game. (And he's still only averaging 35.5 mpg in those games.)
How about some context here? He battled foul trouble in some games, got injured/was coming back from injury in some games, was ineffective in some games, and some games were blowouts, so he sat in garbage time. Competitive games where he was healthy, effective and not in foul trouble, he generally played a lot of minutes. Seems right to me.

There's also the possibility that he doesn't have the stamina to play 38 minutes a night. 31 minutes a night is only 2 fewer than Jokic averages.
If I played NBA 2K all night long I would not have the stamina too

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