Game Day: Hornets (13-35) @ Suns (24-24), Tues 1/24/23

[INFORMER]

It's only an 11 game sample, but if he continues this pace, he will easily command $100M+ on his next deal. 44% on 6+ 3PA is elite shooting, and just as valuable as Mikal's defense by comparison.

Backing up the Brinks truck for shooting specialists hasn't worked for most teams. Brooklyn (Joe Harris), Washington (Davis Bertans), and Miami (Duncan Robinson) can all attest to that.

That is true, but Cam is far more athletic than those three guys and isn't a traffic cone on defense.

He is better than those guys, but his salary demands are also higher. The Suns were basically offering him the deal those guys got; the difference would be that he actually deserves that kind of deal whereas those guys didn't.

[INFORMER]

Not saying he’s Klay, but Klay is also mostly a shooting specialist.

No, Klay was elite and will be a HOF. I don't really think reference to him belongs in a conversation assessing the value of Cameron Johnson.

Klay also passed and defended at a high level too.

[Split T]

Not saying he’s Klay, but Klay is also mostly a shooting specialist.

No, Klay was elite and will be a HOF. I don't really think reference to him belongs in a conversation assessing the value of Cameron Johnson.

Klay also passed and defended at a high level too.

Klay never averaged 3 assists a game, his career high in rebounds per game was 3.8. He only once averaged more than 3 fta/game. He is is definitely a shooting specialist on offense. Ya he defended…and ya he took as difficult of shots as anyone, but I don’t think it’s crazy to mention Klay when talking about Cam.

Take 14-15 and 15-16 Klay and compare it to Cam of the last two years. Both took the same amount of 3s per 100 possessions and both shot 43%…cam gets slightly more rebounds, Klay got slightly more assists. Klay took a lot more 2s, but he also shot worse from there. They have essentially identical WS/48 and BPM(Cam is slightly ahead). Cam has a significantly higher TS%.

Again, I know there’s a difference in how they were used, but there’s some stuff there to indicate it’s not the craziest thing in the world. All I’m saying is he needs to be more Klay than Duncan Robinson.

[specialsauce]

It's only an 11 game sample, but if he continues this pace, he will easily command $100M+ on his next deal. 44% on 6+ 3PA is elite shooting, and just as valuable as Mikal's defense by comparison.

Backing up the Brinks truck for shooting specialists hasn't worked for most teams. Brooklyn (Joe Harris), Washington (Davis Bertans), and Miami (Duncan Robinson) can all attest to that.

That is true, but Cam is far more athletic than those three guys and isn't a traffic cone on defense.

He is better than those guys, but his salary demands are also higher. The Suns were basically offering him the deal those guys got; the difference would be that he actually deserves that kind of deal whereas those guys didn't.

Bingo

[virtual9mm]

Not saying he’s Klay, but Klay is also mostly a shooting specialist. He’s somewhere between Klay and Duncan Robinson. Just needs to be closer to Klay than Duncan Robinson. Korver is another example of a shooting specialist who was fairly valuable.

MPJ for me...who shouldn't have gotten a max

[Flagrant Fowl]

It's only an 11 game sample, but if he continues this pace, he will easily command $100M+ on his next deal. 44% on 6+ 3PA is elite shooting, and just as valuable as Mikal's defense by comparison.

Backing up the Brinks truck for shooting specialists hasn't worked for most teams. Brooklyn (Joe Harris), Washington (Davis Bertans), and Miami (Duncan Robinson) can all attest to that.

That is true, but Cam is far more athletic than those three guys and isn't a traffic cone on defense.

He is better than those guys, but his salary demands are also higher. The Suns were basically offering him the deal those guys got; the difference would be that he actually deserves that kind of deal whereas those guys didn't.

So we're in agreement that he's likely going to sign for $100M+?

[INFORMER]

Klay never averaged 3 assists a game, his career high in rebounds per game was 3.8.

I'm not sure what his rebounding has to do with anything, but the assists numbers isn't the same as evaluating his passing. The Warriors run sets that require multiple passes. Their ball movement has been the best or among the best in the league, and Klay is a part of that. They don't have a Chris Paul that dominates the ball and runs the offense.

[INFORMER]

So we're in agreement that he's likely going to sign for $100M+?

I think his play the rest of the season determines that. Since his return, he is averaging 17 ppg and over 50% shooting from the field and from 3. So it's easy to say he is going to get paid based off of that. But what happens when/if he cools down? What happens if he struggles in the playoffs?

So I think his value is still being determined.

[INFORMER]

He averaged 61 games played in his first three seasons, while NBA "stars" missed an average of 28 games last season. (https://www.truehoop.com/p/nba-stars-mi ... 0mentality.)

I don't really understand the point of comparing his availability to stars. Teams are more willing to put up with the injuries of stars because they mean so much when they do play. It's why Brooklyn signed Durant knowing they would have to wait at least a year for him to actually play for them.

I don't think you can afford to take that same approach with role players and complementary players. The end result is what we have had this year: too many games where we can't even compete because our starting lineup consists of our 13-17th best players.

[Flagrant Fowl]

So we're in agreement that he's likely going to sign for $100M+?

I think his play the rest of the season determines that. Since his return, he is averaging 17 ppg and over 50% shooting from the field and from 3. So it's easy to say he is going to get paid based off of that. But what happens when/if he cools down? What happens if he struggles in the playoffs?

So I think his value is still being determined.

I started with "It's only an 11 game sample, but...", so that's exactly what I was saying.

[Flagrant Fowl]

He averaged 61 games played in his first three seasons, while NBA "stars" missed an average of 28 games last season. (https://www.truehoop.com/p/nba-stars-mi ... 0mentality.)

I don't really understand the point of comparing his availability to stars. Teams are more willing to put up with the injuries of stars because they mean so much when they do play. It's why Brooklyn signed Durant knowing they would have to wait at least a year for him to actually play for them.

I don't think you can afford to take that same approach with role players and complementary players. The end result is what we have had this year: too many games where we can't even compete because our starting lineup consists of our 13-17th best players.

Alright, he's obviously not a star. Which players can we group him with?

Whoever they are, I think we'll find the mean number of games played will be in the mid sixties. So Cam's games missed isn't the outlier that some are making it out to be.

[INFORMER]

Alright, he's obviously not a star. Which players can we group him with?

Whoever they are, I think we'll find the mean number of games played will be in the mid sixties. So Cam's games missed isn't the outlier that some are making it out to be.

Fair point.