Booker makes an appearance on that mvp list at #10…Wonder if he’ll have played enough to get an all-nba nod. I was leaning no, but we’ll see how the last 10-12 games go.
Re: Around the League News: Week 23 (3/20 - 3/26)
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:08 am
by Split T
This is something that needs to change…in no world should this be a foul on Craig. Fine I guess if you want to call nothing, but Craig was not impeding Giannis…the offensive player shouldn’t be allowed to use whatever force they want just because Craig is not squared up in front of Giannis. How exactly are you supposed to be squared up in front of an offensive player when both are moving anyways?
Re: Around the League News: Week 23 (3/20 - 3/26)
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:05 am
by In2ition
If you've got the biggest and strongest player on the court, you can use whatever force you want verse a smaller player, if they are not in legal guarding position. If Giannis ended Craig's or anyone else's career, I guess the league's position on this is that it's a foul on Craig or anyone else if they aren't in legal guarding position. Lowering your shoulder and trucking people is now legal, if you can catch them out of position.
Re: Around the League News: Week 23 (3/20 - 3/26)
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:26 pm
by Mori Chu
IMO the foundational principle of the block/charge rule is outdated. In general people have this idea that if you're defending a guy and he smashes into you, you'll draw a charge call IF and only if you are completely stationary, if you have your feet set. And that's great in general, provides a simple-ish rule to follow. But I think it was made in an era when NBA players were not as athletic, not as agile, not as strong as they are now. Nowadays if you stand completely still, the player will easily just go around you. So nobody stands still; the defenders are always moving. Even a guy who hits the brakes to try to draw a charge is almost always still moving, at least a little bit.
I think they need to take into account initiation of contact, and excessiveness of contact. If both players are in motion, but the offensive player initiates excessive contact (plows into the defender), I think it's a charge. Even if the defender is moving and not even remotely has his feet set.
Re: Around the League News: Week 23 (3/20 - 3/26)
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:38 pm
by Mori Chu
Julius Randle has 52 (!) so far tonight in the Knicks / TWolves game.
The Jazz knocked off the Kings tonight. Probably can’t catch them but you never know.
Re: Around the League News: Week 23 (3/20 - 3/26)
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:50 pm
by Superbone
Brooks getting his 18th tech. What an idiot.
Re: Around the League News: Week 23 (3/20 - 3/26)
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:31 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
He's not wrong. Well, besides when Kidd has Pinson inbound the ball on a last possession to win a game which is certainly an odd time to put him into the game.
Re: Around the League News: Week 23 (3/20 - 3/26)
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:36 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Kessler is a really good young player, but I'd be lying if I didn't think about a certain member of this Suns team every time the media brings up this comparison.
Re: Around the League News: Week 23 (3/20 - 3/26)
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:38 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Give me the Mavs in the first round. Exorcise that demon.
Kessler is a really good young player, but I'd be lying if I didn't think about a certain member of this Suns team every time the media brings up this comparison.
There is no reason Ayton shouldn't he blocking shots like Kessler. 7'6" wingspan, 35" inch vertical. Meh. Power layups all day.
Re: Around the League News: Week 23 (3/20 - 3/26)
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:48 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
You're not wrong, but I always think along the lines of replacement production and value.
However, I think blocks are pretty overrated as a defensive stat.
You're not wrong, but I always think along the lines of replacement production and value.
However, I think blocks are pretty overrated as a defensive stat.
To me, it's one of those things that builds momentum, much like alley oops. Gets the crows going, demoralizes the opponent. Yeah neither of them really mean more than a rebound or a lay-up, but they do have an affect on the game.
You're not wrong, but I always think along the lines of replacement production and value.
However, I think blocks are pretty overrated as a defensive stat.
To me, it's one of those things that builds momentum, much like alley oops. Gets the crows going, demoralizes the opponent. Yeah neither of them really mean more than a rebound or a lay-up, but they do have an affect on the game.
Yeah, I love after a good block, you can hear them going, "caw, caw!" and flapping their wings.
You're not wrong, but I always think along the lines of replacement production and value.
However, I think blocks are pretty overrated as a defensive stat.
To me, it's one of those things that builds momentum, much like alley oops. Gets the crows going, demoralizes the opponent. Yeah neither of them really mean more than a rebound or a lay-up, but they do have an affect on the game.
Yeah, I love after a good block, you can hear them going, "caw, caw!" and flapping their wings.
You're not wrong, but I always think along the lines of replacement production and value.
However, I think blocks are pretty overrated as a defensive stat.
To me, it's one of those things that builds momentum, much like alley oops. Gets the crows going, demoralizes the opponent. Yeah neither of them really mean more than a rebound or a lay-up, but they do have an affect on the game.
Yeah, I love after a good block, you can hear them going, "caw, caw!" and flapping their wings.
IMO the foundational principle of the block/charge rule is outdated. In general people have this idea that if you're defending a guy and he smashes into you, you'll draw a charge call IF and only if you are completely stationary, if you have your feet set. And that's great in general, provides a simple-ish rule to follow. But I think it was made in an era when NBA players were not as athletic, not as agile, not as strong as they are now. Nowadays if you stand completely still, the player will easily just go around you. So nobody stands still; the defenders are always moving. Even a guy who hits the brakes to try to draw a charge is almost always still moving, at least a little bit.
I think they need to take into account initiation of contact, and excessiveness of contact. If both players are in motion, but the offensive player initiates excessive contact (plows into the defender), I think it's a charge. Even if the defender is moving and not even remotely has his feet set.
I know it's never been enforced this way, but in my opinion, it should be that whomever owns the space first wins. If a defender is in the space first, I don't care if his feet are set, his back is turned, or he is in a fetal position, it should be a charge if the offensive player enters the space and hits the defender. Just my opinion.
I wasn't going to let that go either. Damn crows.