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This is a wild take.MightyMoog wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:21 pmEven at his peak, you never feared Lebron. Since I’ve been watching basketball there have been 3 players that struck fear into the opponents hearts. MJ, Prime Shaq and Kobe.
Now that is a wild take.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:30 pmI'd much rather face prime Kobe than prime LeBron in the playoffs.
I think this is a little too harsh toward Lebron. He is an exceptional player who carried 3 different franchises to titles. He deserves all of the titles he won; yes, he joined a stacked Heat team, which always irked me, but he was without question the leader and best player on that team, and his impressive work winning titles on the Cavs and Lakers shows he is capable of winning with a variety of different teammates and coaches.MightyMoog wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:02 amLet’s be completely honest here
Lebron’s titles all have asterisks
Over OKC in a lockout season, they beat a bunch of youngsters with very little experience.
Over Spurs they win on a Kawhi missed free throw.
Over the Warriors, they’re gifted with Draymond ejection, which Lebron baited him into.
With The Lakers, bubble, nuff said.
He has never ever never eaten the opponents heart for lunch. It’s never been a dominant win over a dominant opponent.
Jordan consistently beat the team with the best record in the finals, or the team with that year’s MVP.
Only people that never watched MJ play compare the two.
I really don't think any of those things warrant an asterisk. And I'm not even a Lebron = GOAT guy.MightyMoog wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:02 amLet’s be completely honest here
Lebron’s titles all have asterisks
Over OKC in a lockout season, they beat a bunch of youngsters with very little experience.
Over Spurs they win on a Kawhi missed free throw.
Over the Warriors, they’re gifted with Draymond ejection, which Lebron baited him into.
With The Lakers, bubble, nuff said.
I come down on the MJ side, too, but you're talking like LeBron's career is in the past. What if he carries the Lakers to a championship in his 21st season?Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:41 amI think this is a little too harsh toward Lebron. He is an exceptional player who carried 3 different franchises to titles. He deserves all of the titles he won; yes, he joined a stacked Heat team, which always irked me, but he was without question the leader and best player on that team, and his impressive work winning titles on the Cavs and Lakers shows he is capable of winning with a variety of different teammates and coaches.MightyMoog wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:02 amLet’s be completely honest here
Lebron’s titles all have asterisks
Over OKC in a lockout season, they beat a bunch of youngsters with very little experience.
Over Spurs they win on a Kawhi missed free throw.
Over the Warriors, they’re gifted with Draymond ejection, which Lebron baited him into.
With The Lakers, bubble, nuff said.
He has never ever never eaten the opponents heart for lunch. It’s never been a dominant win over a dominant opponent.
Jordan consistently beat the team with the best record in the finals, or the team with that year’s MVP.
Only people that never watched MJ play compare the two.
But I do agree with your comment about eating the opponent's heart. Lebron didn't strike fear in his opponents' hearts. Nobody punked MJ the way players tried to go at Lebron, successfully. I'm more impressed with MJ's complete dominance of the NBA throughout the '90s than anything Lebron has done in his career.
Lebron's greatest accomplishment is his longevity, his durability, his ability to stay at an elite level for 20 years across multiple teams. This is quite an impressive accomplishment, but I don't think it makes a player a GOAT. Kevin Willis played a lot of years, Karl Malone played a lot of years. So what? They're impressive, not GOATs. Lebron was a great player, probably top 5 of all time. But nothing he did matches MJ's 1990s.
Doesn’t matter if he does. Doesn’t matter if he does it twice. 6/6 will still be talked about as a greater achievement than 6/12. All those additional Conference Championships will be a demerit for LeBron.JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 12:01 pmI come down on the MJ side, too, but you're talking like LeBron's career is in the past. What if he carries the Lakers to a championship in his 21st season?Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:41 amI think this is a little too harsh toward Lebron. He is an exceptional player who carried 3 different franchises to titles. He deserves all of the titles he won; yes, he joined a stacked Heat team, which always irked me, but he was without question the leader and best player on that team, and his impressive work winning titles on the Cavs and Lakers shows he is capable of winning with a variety of different teammates and coaches.MightyMoog wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:02 amLet’s be completely honest here
Lebron’s titles all have asterisks
Over OKC in a lockout season, they beat a bunch of youngsters with very little experience.
Over Spurs they win on a Kawhi missed free throw.
Over the Warriors, they’re gifted with Draymond ejection, which Lebron baited him into.
With The Lakers, bubble, nuff said.
He has never ever never eaten the opponents heart for lunch. It’s never been a dominant win over a dominant opponent.
Jordan consistently beat the team with the best record in the finals, or the team with that year’s MVP.
Only people that never watched MJ play compare the two.
But I do agree with your comment about eating the opponent's heart. Lebron didn't strike fear in his opponents' hearts. Nobody punked MJ the way players tried to go at Lebron, successfully. I'm more impressed with MJ's complete dominance of the NBA throughout the '90s than anything Lebron has done in his career.
Lebron's greatest accomplishment is his longevity, his durability, his ability to stay at an elite level for 20 years across multiple teams. This is quite an impressive accomplishment, but I don't think it makes a player a GOAT. Kevin Willis played a lot of years, Karl Malone played a lot of years. So what? They're impressive, not GOATs. Lebron was a great player, probably top 5 of all time. But nothing he did matches MJ's 1990s.
