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Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 1:50 pm
by 1tinsoldier
the Suns were doomed by the very high probability of injury to one or more of their 4 injury prone stars -- and Monty's weaknesses. I like him, he deserved the coaching award for the good will and culture he brought to the team, but, imo, he'll never be playoff savvy and he can no longer motivate and lead this team:

1.he's being out-strategized (evident in the last 2 blowouts in the Dallas series and this Denver series, and Bucks collapse). While the opposing coaches looked involved and animated this year, Monty just looked worried sitting on the bench during play.
2. lack of play calling in crunch time, leading to Booker ball. When teams know Book is controlling the ball they can control him. He's only unstoppable when he's hot and in the game flow. (unlike some other superstars who can still be physically overpowering like Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, or rely on consistent cat-like skills like Jordan, Kobe, Morant, etc..)
3. Monty naively said at the start of these playoffs, "when you've got Durant and Booker you can give them the ball and let them figure it out." As if Durant (and Harden and Kyrie and others) didn't fail over and over playing hero-ball alongside other superstars. Durant won within the Warriors SYSTEM. Jordan won within the Bulls system. Kobe and Shack too -- under Phil Jackson's team system.
4. lack of being able to motivate Ayton (which may be impossible for anyone but you have to wonder why he couldn't get Ayton to attack the rim more instead of settling for jump shots. Was he over focusing on keeping Ayton out of foul trouble?)

we're cash strapped, but it's likely to hurt more than help to sacrifice to get out of Ayton and Paul's contract. And replacing Monty with an established coach is expensive even if one can be found. So my radical solution is to:

1. Work a deal with Paul to divert most of his salary to taking over the coaching position with the option to also play (during some 4 quarters, when his IQ is still valuable). Unlike Nash, Paul has both a high offensive and defensive mind-set.

2. instead of getting garbage or nothing for Ayton let Paul have a crack at him for one season. Ayton did credit Paul with his turnaround 2 years ago and perhaps he still respects Paul more than Monty.

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 2:06 pm
by Split T
I’m pretty sure player coaches are not allowed

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 2:08 pm
by Wally_West
Becky Hammon

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 2:23 pm
by Kryptonic
Split T wrote:
Fri May 12, 2023 2:06 pm
I’m pretty sure player coaches are not allowed
You are correct... It's not allowed anymore. Not since the 70's.

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 2:38 pm
by TOO
Depends on what is available, you don't make a change just to do so, but also Monty lost me after the 21 finals. So, maybe?

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 7:03 pm
by Uncle_Gene
Tyrone Lue if he becomes available.

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 7:38 pm
by virtual9mm
Uncle_Gene wrote:
Fri May 12, 2023 7:03 pm
Tyrone Lue if he becomes available.
My choice as well

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 7:50 pm
by 1tinsoldier
I thought i recalled i recalled Magic being considered for being a player coach in the 90's? I know he did coach the Lakers for part of a season.

But if it is not possible, Paul coaching would still serve the purpose of both getting Paul off the books and replacing Monty. I don't know if Paul aspires to coach but he would surely be a good candidate for a team in the future.

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 7:58 pm
by 1tinsoldier
I'd support Becky Hammon too.

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 8:02 pm
by BKinSJC
I think Nick Nurse, at least by reputation, is probably a better pure Xs and Os guy than Williams. I know the perception is that he lost his team in Toronto over the last couple of years and he's not a "player's coach" but that might be a little overblown. At any rate, I think right now the team needs to go for a proven coach with a track record in the playoffs, and he's that. If he's only here for the next 3-4 years, well, that's about what the window for this core is going to be anyways.

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 9:10 pm
by Sunsfan4life
Earl Watson

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 10:06 pm
by Superbone
Sunsfan4life wrote:
Fri May 12, 2023 9:10 pm
Earl Watson
Only if his assistant is Lindsay Hunter.

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 11:33 pm
by Charlie Smithy!
... who would be assisted by Terry Porter

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 11:46 pm
by AmareIsGod
Charlie Smithy! wrote:
Fri May 12, 2023 11:33 pm
... who would be assisted by Terry Porter
Who would hand the reigns to 2x Suns MVP... Steve Nash!

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Fri May 12, 2023 11:54 pm
by England Sun
Tyrone Lue - By far the best coach we’ve come across in the last few years and gets his role players playing better than anyone I know. We will need our role players to really step up if we are going KD & Book heavy for the next 2/3 years and I don’t see Monty able to do that.

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 4:40 am
by BlaCkAdDa
i'd only consider replacing monty if there was clearly somoene better suited to our core group and we had the players to run their preferred system else it's a fail

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 7:29 am
by Kryptonic
AmareIsGod wrote:
Fri May 12, 2023 11:46 pm
Charlie Smithy! wrote:
Fri May 12, 2023 11:33 pm
... who would be assisted by Terry Porter
Who would hand the reigns to 2x Suns MVP... Steve Nash!
Wasn’t KD one of the reasons he lost his last job? 😂

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Sat May 13, 2023 8:15 am
by Mori Chu
Lue would be amazing, but why would the Clips let him go?

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Mon May 15, 2023 5:36 pm
by 1tinsoldier
ok, now that Monty's out, here's another creative, double solution. I don't know why Lue's name has come up with 2 years left on his contract with our rival, BUT if he is interested a path to making it happen would be...

offer the Clips Ayton
we get rid of Ayton's contract and upgrade our coach at the same time

Re: Would You Replace the Coach?

Posted: Mon May 15, 2023 7:45 pm
by In2ition
1tinsoldier wrote:
Mon May 15, 2023 5:36 pm
ok, now that Monty's out, here's another creative, double solution. I don't know why Lue's name has come up with 2 years left on his contract with our rival, BUT if he is interested a path to making it happen would be...

offer the Clips Ayton
we get rid of Ayton's contract and upgrade our coach at the same time
I have heard of offering CP3 to go back to the Clippers in a swap for Lue.