Re: Democratic primary watch
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:30 pm
Yep. Have an insurance claim on your house for something? Get a quote for the repair. The repair quote will always be doubled if it is going to an insurance claim.
The NHS is fine but I wouldn't call it great; it's more like pretty decent. . And that's just in London and bigger cities - in poorer areas it struggles a bit but that's probably to be expected. From what we hear France, Spain and Italy have the best heathcare.Nodack wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:25 pmEveryone pays into Englands health care system via taxes if I’m not mistaken. Isn’t that single payer? They can pay more if they want private.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:26 amThat won't be sustainable. If it isn't a single payer, with everyone paying into it, it can't sustain itself.He is in favor of Medicare for all but also allowing private insurance. I think that is the smart way to go. That is a major sticking point for many, especially Republicans. The UK has public healthcare 100% covered for life and they also have private insurance for those who want it. Pete is covering all the bases and making both sides happy.
There is a reason CEOs for health insurance companies make millions of dollars every year, and their C-suite team makes millions, and the next layer down, and so on. They make more money the based on taking in more revenue, and spending less of it on treating you. It is a scam. The longer we let that live, the harder it will be to overcome.
And yes, Pete is covering his bases to make all sides happy, knowing that it can't sustain itself. He is just saying what people want to hear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_ca ... ed_Kingdom
Private medicine, where patients, or their insurers, pay for treatment in the UK is a niche market. Some is provided by NHS hospitals. Private providers also contract with the NHS, especially in England, to provide treatment for NHS patients, particularly in mental health and planned surgery.
Health care in the United Kingdom is a devolved matter, with England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales each having their own systems of publicly funded healthcare, funded by and accountable to separate governments and parliaments, together with smaller private sector and voluntary provision. As a result of each country having different policies and priorities, a variety of differences now exist between these systems.[1][2]
Despite there being separate health services for each country, the performance of the National Health Service (NHS) across the UK can be measured for the purpose of making international comparisons. In a 2017 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranking developed-country healthcare systems, the United Kingdom was ranked the best healthcare system in the world overall and was ranked the best in the following categories: Care Process (i.e. effective, safe, coordinated, patient-oriented) and Equity.[3] The UK system was ranked the best in the world overall in the previous three reports by the Commonwealth Fund in 2007, 2010 and 2014.[4][5][6] The UK's palliative care has also been ranked as the best in the world by the Economist Intelligence Unit.[7] On the other hand, in 2005-09 cancer survival rates lagged ten years behind the rest of Europe,[8] although survival rates continue to increase.[9][10]
Health care is so complicated that only 33 out of 34 developed nations have Universal Health Care.
When Elizabeth was crafting her plan, she asked top experts - Mark Zandi, the Chief Economist of Moody's Analytics; Betsey Stevenson, the former Chief Economist for the Obama Labor Department; and Simon Johnson, the former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund and a professor at MIT - to examine options for fully funding Medicare for All. They concluded that it can be done largely by asking private-sector employers to pay a little less than what they pay now for health care, and imposing new taxes on financial firms, giant corporations, and the top 1%. The bottom line: Experts agree we don't need to raise taxes on the middle class by one penny to finance it.
All good, the NHS / healthcare / data / broken capitalism all pretty prominent topics for me.
This might seem like a silly question, but why do you say your health insurance company is good? Curious how you judge that.Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:46 pmMy company sponsored health plan is very good. I am concerned that healthcare for all will increase my expenses and lower my healthcare quality. I brought this concern up to an Elizabeth Warren representative that contacted my via text. Her response:
When Elizabeth was crafting her plan, she asked top experts - Mark Zandi, the Chief Economist of Moody's Analytics; Betsey Stevenson, the former Chief Economist for the Obama Labor Department; and Simon Johnson, the former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund and a professor at MIT - to examine options for fully funding Medicare for All. They concluded that it can be done largely by asking private-sector employers to pay a little less than what they pay now for health care, and imposing new taxes on financial firms, giant corporations, and the top 1%. The bottom line: Experts agree we don't need to raise taxes on the middle class by one penny to finance it.
Not too much out of my pocket and I get great care. As simple as that.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:15 amThis might seem like a silly question, but why do you say your health insurance company is good? Curious how you judge that.Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:46 pmMy company sponsored health plan is very good. I am concerned that healthcare for all will increase my expenses and lower my healthcare quality. I brought this concern up to an Elizabeth Warren representative that contacted my via text. Her response:
When Elizabeth was crafting her plan, she asked top experts - Mark Zandi, the Chief Economist of Moody's Analytics; Betsey Stevenson, the former Chief Economist for the Obama Labor Department; and Simon Johnson, the former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund and a professor at MIT - to examine options for fully funding Medicare for All. They concluded that it can be done largely by asking private-sector employers to pay a little less than what they pay now for health care, and imposing new taxes on financial firms, giant corporations, and the top 1%. The bottom line: Experts agree we don't need to raise taxes on the middle class by one penny to finance it.
Drug prices is the other thing - pretty much everything we buy is £9, I think the occasional harder core drug might be double or triple that but the vast majority is a straight £9, or like $12. Some people are entitled to free drugs, including those with cancer:Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:52 pmNot too much out of my pocket and I get great care. As simple as that.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:15 amThis might seem like a silly question, but why do you say your health insurance company is good? Curious how you judge that.Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:46 pmMy company sponsored health plan is very good. I am concerned that healthcare for all will increase my expenses and lower my healthcare quality. I brought this concern up to an Elizabeth Warren representative that contacted my via text. Her response:
When Elizabeth was crafting her plan, she asked top experts - Mark Zandi, the Chief Economist of Moody's Analytics; Betsey Stevenson, the former Chief Economist for the Obama Labor Department; and Simon Johnson, the former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund and a professor at MIT - to examine options for fully funding Medicare for All. They concluded that it can be done largely by asking private-sector employers to pay a little less than what they pay now for health care, and imposing new taxes on financial firms, giant corporations, and the top 1%. The bottom line: Experts agree we don't need to raise taxes on the middle class by one penny to finance it.
ETA: It's not just about the health insurance company but my costs after my company pays their costs.
Got it. Has it been pretty standard care, or have you had any major medical issue under the insurance? It seems this is where things go bad.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:52 pmNot too much out of my pocket and I get great care. As simple as that.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:15 amThis might seem like a silly question, but why do you say your health insurance company is good? Curious how you judge that.Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:46 pmMy company sponsored health plan is very good. I am concerned that healthcare for all will increase my expenses and lower my healthcare quality. I brought this concern up to an Elizabeth Warren representative that contacted my via text. Her response:
When Elizabeth was crafting her plan, she asked top experts - Mark Zandi, the Chief Economist of Moody's Analytics; Betsey Stevenson, the former Chief Economist for the Obama Labor Department; and Simon Johnson, the former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund and a professor at MIT - to examine options for fully funding Medicare for All. They concluded that it can be done largely by asking private-sector employers to pay a little less than what they pay now for health care, and imposing new taxes on financial firms, giant corporations, and the top 1%. The bottom line: Experts agree we don't need to raise taxes on the middle class by one penny to finance it.
ETA: It's not just about the health insurance company but my costs after my company pays their costs.
This is one of the 2 key ways to cut money out of healthcare. You aren't going to cut it out of the hospitals (already on crazy margins) or doctors (already paying too much in malpractice insurance) or even medical device makers (already operating on ~2-3% reduction in price each year).3rdside wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:34 amDrug prices is the other thing - pretty much everything we buy is £9, I think the occasional harder core drug might be double or triple that but the vast majority is a straight £9, or like $12. Some people are entitled to free drugs, including those with cancer:Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:52 pmNot too much out of my pocket and I get great care. As simple as that.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:15 amThis might seem like a silly question, but why do you say your health insurance company is good? Curious how you judge that.Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:46 pmMy company sponsored health plan is very good. I am concerned that healthcare for all will increase my expenses and lower my healthcare quality. I brought this concern up to an Elizabeth Warren representative that contacted my via text. Her response:
When Elizabeth was crafting her plan, she asked top experts - Mark Zandi, the Chief Economist of Moody's Analytics; Betsey Stevenson, the former Chief Economist for the Obama Labor Department; and Simon Johnson, the former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund and a professor at MIT - to examine options for fully funding Medicare for All. They concluded that it can be done largely by asking private-sector employers to pay a little less than what they pay now for health care, and imposing new taxes on financial firms, giant corporations, and the top 1%. The bottom line: Experts agree we don't need to raise taxes on the middle class by one penny to finance it.
ETA: It's not just about the health insurance company but my costs after my company pays their costs.
- Anyone aged under 16 or over 60
- Anyone aged 16-18 in full-time education
- Pregnant women or new mothers who have given birth in the past 12 months with a valid maternity exemption certificate
- Anyone who has a valid medical exemption certificate as a result of specific disease or disability (https://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/exemption-cer ... rtificates)
- Certain people on a low income or receiving benefits
- People receiving specific pensions
For the most part but I've had a couple major services like a prostatectomy and arthroscopic meniscus repair and while they were more expensive, they were quite reasonable.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:19 amGot it. Has it been pretty standard care, or have you had any major medical issue under the insurance? It seems this is where things go bad.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:52 pmNot too much out of my pocket and I get great care. As simple as that.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:15 amThis might seem like a silly question, but why do you say your health insurance company is good? Curious how you judge that.Superbone wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:46 pmMy company sponsored health plan is very good. I am concerned that healthcare for all will increase my expenses and lower my healthcare quality. I brought this concern up to an Elizabeth Warren representative that contacted my via text. Her response:
When Elizabeth was crafting her plan, she asked top experts - Mark Zandi, the Chief Economist of Moody's Analytics; Betsey Stevenson, the former Chief Economist for the Obama Labor Department; and Simon Johnson, the former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund and a professor at MIT - to examine options for fully funding Medicare for All. They concluded that it can be done largely by asking private-sector employers to pay a little less than what they pay now for health care, and imposing new taxes on financial firms, giant corporations, and the top 1%. The bottom line: Experts agree we don't need to raise taxes on the middle class by one penny to finance it.
ETA: It's not just about the health insurance company but my costs after my company pays their costs.
That is good news. Sounds like great coverage your company buys.Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:35 amFor the most part but I've had a couple major services like a prostatectomy and arthroscopic meniscus repair and while they were more expensive, they were quite reasonable.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:19 amGot it. Has it been pretty standard care, or have you had any major medical issue under the insurance? It seems this is where things go bad.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:52 pmNot too much out of my pocket and I get great care. As simple as that.
ETA: It's not just about the health insurance company but my costs after my company pays their costs.
for specialist, if you don't also have private insurance, yes. But not like an oncology specialist. And for a broken arm, are you kidding?Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:37 pmMy wife says that if we have universal health care here in the US, there will be 6-month waits for any kind of care, and that if you don't have something serious, they won't see you. She says you'll wait 3 months with a broken arm with no care. She says she has friends in Canada who say that's how it works up there, and that they all come down here to get their medical care when it's something important because our system is better.
I'm almost certain that none of these claims are true, but I don't really have the facts and data to push back on it. Are there really long waits for care in countries that have universal health care?