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Why? Just because I prefer to lop off the bullshit and cut to the chase?Mori Chu wrote:Hopeless.
Again, I am amazed that you feel persecuted as a white male.SwingMan wrote:Oh cut the hubris, Indy - if men did the same thing, they'd be ripped from asshole to appetite by just about every "special interest" group one could imagine. Just like how whites seem to be excluded from pointing out racism where it exists.Indy wrote:I guess you are right. They demanded to not be demeaned, just like Martin Luther demanded to not be demeaned for his religious beliefs, or how Martin Luther King demanded to not be demeaned based on the color of his skin. How hypocritical of them!And, one thing you've neglected to acknowledge thus far: Mori used the word "ask" - these women did not ask, they demanded. Big difference and a prime example of being emboldened as I previously mentioned.
Gender does not - or, at least, should not - entitle one to special protection or privileges. I'm calling ass on the political correctness, is all.
I know Mori. It has been over a dozen years. I should know better!SwingMan wrote:Why? Just because I prefer to lop off the bullshit and cut to the chase?Mori Chu wrote:Hopeless.
What's hopeless is fencing with mindless politically correct minutiae - not here on the board, but in the subject matter at hand.
But you aren't cutting to the chase. What you are lopping off is the substance and leaving the bullshit.SwingMan wrote:Why? Just because I prefer to lop off the bullshit and cut to the chase?Mori Chu wrote:Hopeless.
What's hopeless is fencing with mindless politically correct minutiae - not here on the board, but in the subject matter at hand.
Way to put words in my mouth - since when did I even indicate that any of this had to do with me personally?Indy wrote:Again, I am amazed that you feel persecuted as a white male.SwingMan wrote:Oh cut the hubris, Indy - if men did the same thing, they'd be ripped from asshole to appetite by just about every "special interest" group one could imagine. Just like how whites seem to be excluded from pointing out racism where it exists.Indy wrote:I guess you are right. They demanded to not be demeaned, just like Martin Luther demanded to not be demeaned for his religious beliefs, or how Martin Luther King demanded to not be demeaned based on the color of his skin. How hypocritical of them!And, one thing you've neglected to acknowledge thus far: Mori used the word "ask" - these women did not ask, they demanded. Big difference and a prime example of being emboldened as I previously mentioned.
Gender does not - or, at least, should not - entitle one to special protection or privileges. I'm calling ass on the political correctness, is all.
SwingMan wrote:Way to put words in my mouth - since when did I even indicate that any of this had to do with me personally?Indy wrote:Again, I am amazed that you feel persecuted as a white male.SwingMan wrote:Oh cut the hubris, Indy - if men did the same thing, they'd be ripped from asshole to appetite by just about every "special interest" group one could imagine. Just like how whites seem to be excluded from pointing out racism where it exists.Indy wrote:I guess you are right. They demanded to not be demeaned, just like Martin Luther demanded to not be demeaned for his religious beliefs, or how Martin Luther King demanded to not be demeaned based on the color of his skin. How hypocritical of them!And, one thing you've neglected to acknowledge thus far: Mori used the word "ask" - these women did not ask, they demanded. Big difference and a prime example of being emboldened as I previously mentioned.
Gender does not - or, at least, should not - entitle one to special protection or privileges. I'm calling ass on the political correctness, is all.
No, that there and your 2 subsequent posts just shows that you're more interested in trying to shut differing views down as opposed to discussing/debating them.
Um, just to clarify - the point of posting the above video is that there's always 2 sides to every story.Mori Chu wrote:That video and situation have nothing whatsoever to do with our discussion. I see it as another example of oversimplification. You don't like it when one group of women complains about an insulting shirt in a newscast, so you go find something bad that a completely different woman did. Nobody here is saying that all women are faultless and that women never do anything bad. But just because one belligerent woman is mean and rude to a passenger on a subway doesn't mean that this other group of women are wrong about the insulting shirt.
Do you really think that all women act as a collective unit or something? Do you think that this video of an incident on a subway somehow invalidates the complaint about the offensive shirt in any way? That it relates to the current discussion at all?
When you group an entire group together and think of them all as one collective, holding one accountable for the actions of another, that's stereotyping and discrimination by definition.
Were you not assuming that this group of feminists speaks for *all* women earlier?Mori Chu wrote:When you group an entire group together and think of them all as one collective, holding one accountable for the actions of another, that's stereotyping and discrimination by definition.
Why would you assume that?SwingMan wrote:I'd also like to address this bit of irony concerning your false allegation towards me :
Were you not assuming that this group of feminists speaks for *all* women earlier?Mori Chu wrote:When you group an entire group together and think of them all as one collective, holding one accountable for the actions of another, that's stereotyping and discrimination by definition.
[Green text]Is that an actual quote?[/Green text]Xylus wrote:Swingman's solution to ending racism and sexism is to pretend it doesn't exist. Basically, if we don't acknowledge it, it'll just go away. "Women, blacks, and gays just need to shut the fuck up already."
No more straw than you claiming that I'm everything short of a bigot, Mori.Mori Chu wrote:He assumes that because he is committing a straw man logical fallacy.
Ah, nothing like entering a discussion with emotion on an invisible foundation - if it ain't left, it ain't right.Xylus wrote:Swingman's solution to ending racism and sexism is to pretend it doesn't exist. Basically, if we don't acknowledge it, it'll just go away. "Women, blacks, and gays just need to shut the fuck up already."
